3 HERCEK Cues For Sale

I agree that they are expensive as hell. But they do bring the cash and due to the 5-7 year waiting list and general lack of availability will continue to do so.

I've owned hundreds of custom cues and in my opinion from what I've seen, these are about the most well constructed, best hitting cues out there. If you ever get a chance to hit some balls with one (especially the ivory jointed ones) don't pass it up.
 
Good luck finding one, any one at all for that now. Actually, try to find any even up for sale other than these. It would be a challenge.

For example:

http://www.chalkers.com/id252.htm

Two others sold just last week at the Derby, one was in the $5000 range and wasn't any more cue than this one. Hell, even the plain one I have will bring more money than $2800.

Ever wonder why you almost never see these cues come up for sale and when they do appear they get snatched up?
 
Cue prices are getting out of control these days, no doubt about it. Supply and demand combined with excess money is the name of the game. Off the top of my head other examples of this are Szamboti, Southwest, Harris/BlueGrass (just sold one tonight), Schick, Tascarella, Gina, Tad, and Lambros.

I know this cue was on Ebay once before. It has also been priced right at $4000 in the past and moved. Hercek cues have quickly and steadily gone up in price and in my opinion should plateau in the coming year.

Also, if these cues don't sell through Ebay they'll be heading up with me to the Expo in March to get dealt away.

But, in the end the market will bear what it will bear. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
cueaddicts said:
CUEADDICTS PRICES WAY OVERPRICED???

We sold a comparable (to this guys) if not fancier brand new Joel Hercek up at the Derby for $3500. That's a pretty fair and quite reasonable price in my opinion. Sure after we wait 4 years for our cueorder, we'll obviously want to make some money on it, but please don't classify our prices as outrageous like this cat's......

If you don't want to put in your order and wait 5-6 years for a Hercek, SW, etc. now, then you must realize that you're going to pay more from a dealer or someone who has standing orders.

However, this cat's prices are crazy high....roughly double what the Joel charges for the same cue brand new.

Sean
www.cueaddicts.com
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I'm assuming the way overpriced comment is directed at the other guy. However, I will address your post though since you did reference my prices at one point.

Here are the facts.

1. Bill Grassley had this Hercek at the Derby, it was priced right at $4000.
2. Bill Grassley had another comparable Hercek which he sold for $5000 at the Derby.
3. I got this cue in a three way trade.
4. This cue is unique in many ways, not the least of which is that it is in the Blue Book.

Now, since you seem to want to cast stones, OK, I'll play along. This is quite obviously a lame attempt to try and discredit someone else and protect your turf, no problem, I understand that, even though there is no basis for you to do so. But if you want to be unprofessional in a public forum by all means go ahead, those reading this thread can decide for themselves on this issue. But at least they should know the facts of the matter.

It is well known that your prices are high but like anybody else you can price your cues however you like. If it sells it sells, if not oh well, you can continue to hold on to it and try again next time. I guess that is why you guys seem to have a lot of the same inventory for years.

Here is a quick example of the way you guys work:

1. You price a Southwest at $2800 when you're trading/selling it.
2. It gets traded/sold to someone else a few hours later.
3. When that person approaches you a few hours later to trade it back it to you it is now worth $2000.

Now why is that?

Because you guys play games on your prices just as much if not more than any other questionable cue dealers out there. This is a well known fact.

Bottom line, anyone can price their cues as they see fit. They will sell based on supply and demand.
 
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cueaddicts said:
UGOTDA7,

You are correct in one thing...my remarks were directed at the other guy's comment about pricing, but since you seem to cast some remarks on that way we do business, I'll take the bait and comment further.

Notwithstanding, your $5000 price tag is real high for that Hercek (just my opinion), but hey you can indeed ask whatever you want, if it's your cue.

Like everyone else, we at cueaddicts price our cues as we see fit...you are correct. However, it's a pricing structure based on what we see the market doing and we pay very careful attention through other dealers and collectors what the market is doing on certain cues. Some we don't know much on, and we are not afraid to say/admit that, but most we feel pretty comfortable knowing what they are reasonably moving for. South Wests are a labor of lover for out partner Scott Mirphey, and you don't know shit, if you don't know that....he pays premium $ for them (sometimes more than I can reason myself).

Also, at cueaddicts, we buy/sell/trade cues for one reason and one reason alone...BECAUSE WE LOVE CUES....there's no other reason, plain and simple. We try to be as fair as possible on all deals. Money os not a driver like it is for many guys that you see who trade into a cue, just to whore it out on ebay for their $50-$75 profit.

My question to you is why do you care what Bill Grassley has his cues priced at...is he your mentor or something? The cue you are refering to that Bill sold was Joel's personal playing cue...perhaps a little boost there??? $5000 for the steel jointed Hercek is fine...I guess, but way high IMO.

What's seems odd to me is how in every one of your ebay auctions you advertise 3-5 cues, but "only the one in the middle is for sale"......what gives with that?

Sean
www.cueaddicts.com
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I'll address this in more detail shortly.
 
Cuedoctor,
Be careful throwing names out there, unless you are going to post your name as well. I think I know who you are, but if you are going to sling mud, do it out in the open. There is nothing worse than a dealer or wanna be dealer taking pot shots at the more established dealers. This is for you to ugotda7, put your real name in your post. Sean you should know better than to sling with, for lack of a better word, terrorists.

1. You price a Southwest at $2800 when you're trading/selling it.
2. It gets traded/sold to someone else a few hours later.
3. When that person approaches you a few hours later to trade it back it to you it is now worth $2000.

This happens for a few reasons. You cannot go by your first deal if the cue has changed hands. Which it has in your example. So if I was to sell a cue, then it was resold to another party and came back to me, then the new deal is exactly that.. a new deal.

I won't comment on your pricing, because as Sean said, its your cue and do with it as you please. Plus I don't disagree with it, its not uncommon to price cues that are hard to get, or a waiting period as 75-125 dollars per year of the wait, as well as ask a premium for a published cue. Its common and both Sean and I would do the same. I have no problem with your asking price, but lets be adults here. Eventually we all deal with each other anyways, so lets kill it here.

I think we all know that one dealer has some new "fishes" and yes, they are driving cue prices up, just as that other "fish" overseas did a few years ago.
Its going to happen, just try and not get caught up int he feeding frenzy, stay reputable and do your thing. Slinging mud in public is not reputable especially doing it anonomously.

Joe (---looking forward to VF
 
classiccues said:
I have no problem with your asking price, but lets be adults here. Eventually we all deal with each other anyways, so lets kill it here.
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Best phrase in this entire thread.
 
Late edit. Notice that cueaddicts has deleted their posts, however they cannot delete what has already been quoted. Joe (classiccues) deleted his post as well but he had posted some information about pricing increases of $100-$125 a year in wait time for in demand cues not being unusual. Call me cynical, but this could be seen as a case of circling the wagons.

Sorry, 1pRoscoe, they have forced my hand.


When I read the latest post from cueaddicts I couldn’t help but think of the saying, “Cutting off your nose to spite your face.” This doesn’t need to turn in to an all out pissing contest, but clearing up a few things is definitely required, specifically all of these contradictions cueaddicts is posting. I look at this as good opportunity to illustrate for the pool community at large to see how things really work.

You said in your last post that your “remarks were directed at the other guy’s comment about pricing…” If that is the case, then who are you talking about when you said in you post prior to that one, “However, this cat’s prices are crazy high…roughly double what Joel charges for the same cue brand new.”

1. It certainly seems that the “cat” was me as it is my thread and I’m the one posting the cues for sale. If I’m not that “cat” then who is?
2. So you’re saying Joel charges half of my asking prices? If you placed an order with him he would only charge $2500 for the scrimshaw/Blue Book cue; $1750 for the one on Ebay now; and $1500 for the plain one? Are you sure about that? Also, as we all know, there is that 5-7 year wait to consider.

You say that you price your cues based on “what you see the market doing and we pay very careful attention through other cue dealers and collectors what the market is doing on certain cues.” OK, nothing unusual there, however:

1. A comparable Hercek to mine just sold for $5000 cash at the Derby last month.
2. I have my cue priced in the same range.
3. Yet for some reason you feel very strongly that my price is “crazy high.”

Yes, the cue that sold was Joel’s playing cue so it has some uniqueness. My cue is pictured in the Blue Book so it has some uniqueness as well. I think all reasonable people would understand this fact. As a matter of fact, the cue Bill Grassley traded for was pictured in the Blue Book. And one of the reasons he wanted it. The fact that a cue is pictured in the Blue Book in and of itself creates a lot of demand for a cue, you should know this.

You say that “we buy/sell/trade cues for one reason and one reason alone…BECAUSE WE LOVE CUES…there’s no other reason, plain and simple.”

1. Sure, OK, whatever, say hello to Tinkerbell for me.
2. I’m sure you really love cues when you can price a Southwest at $2800 (that is odd, is that what the market is on a fairly standard 2003 Southwest) when you get rid of it and price it at $2000 when taking it back a few hours later in the exact same condition from a different person. I’m sure you’re certainly feeling the love if you can swing that deal.

As for your Bill Grassley comment, I have met him once and that was at the Derby. I mentioned him to give some background on the cue and to illustrate the fact that he sold a comparable Hercek to mine for $5000. Other than that, he had a lot of very nice cues, seemed like an honest guy, and I would recommend him to anybody looking into quality custom cues.

I think it is quite clear to everybody what is going on here, you guys are simply trying to protect your interests as you see fit. But the way you are going about it is pretty silly and indicative of the way you guys do business. A fair number of people are already aware of this, but as a result of this thread even more people will have some insight into the matter. As I mentioned earlier, it is good for the pool community at large to see how things really work. I’m sure after reading all of this they will be more than able to come to their own (now informed) conclusions.
 
Hey 1pRoscoe,

Have you had any of Jack Madden's cues before? I see you have one on order. You going to post some pics when it arrives? He and I conversed briefly about a McDaniel cue that on of his friends has. I've heard some good things about Jack's cues, what's your opinion?

Sean
 
cueaddicts said:
Hey 1pRoscoe,

Have you had any of Jack Madden's cues before? I see you have one on order. You going to post some pics when it arrives? He and I conversed briefly about a McDaniel cue that on of his friends has. I've heard some good things about Jack's cues, what's your opinion?

Sean
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thank GOD this is going a different direction!!

I haven't had any yet.. I had a certain design in mind and did quite a bit of research. From three different message forums, his name kept coming up over and over with VERY pleased people.

I shot him an email and let him know that I was interested in him building a cue for me. We've traded probably 40 emails and spent well over an hour in addition discussing more over the phone. I've got some progress pics in this thread, however it will look completely different when finished. There are still a few small inlays to go. He is a hell of a nice guy!

I resized the pic, as the original was 2x as large. His points and veneers are flawless.

I'm anxiously awaiting - should be less than a month. His overall turnaround has only been 4 months to date.
 
1. Sure, OK, whatever, say hello to Tinkerbell for me.
2. I’m sure you really love cues when you can price a Southwest at $2800 (that is odd, is that what the market is on a fairly standard 2003 Southwest) when you get rid of it and price it at $2000 when taking it back a few hours later in the exact same condition from a different person. I’m sure you’re certainly feeling the love if you can swing that deal.

You really have no idea what you are talking about with this, so I'll enlighten you. What happened with this trade deal involving the South West (which btw was not priced at $2800 in our booth)....it was traded and we ended up buying that very cue back later in a separate deal later that day. End result, we spent money and got a another cue. Didn't quite feel any love....just some cash leaving our pockets.

BTW, Tinkerbell and Peter Pan both say "hello".
 
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cueaddicts said:
1. Sure, OK, whatever, say hello to Tinkerbell for me.
2. I’m sure you really love cues when you can price a Southwest at $2800 (that is odd, is that what the market is on a fairly standard 2003 Southwest) when you get rid of it and price it at $2000 when taking it back a few hours later in the exact same condition from a different person. I’m sure you’re certainly feeling the love if you can swing that deal.

You really have no idea what you are talking about with this, so I'll enlighten you. What happened with this trade deal involving the South West (which btw was not priced at $2800 in our booth)....it was traded and we ended up buying that very cue back later in a separate deal later that day. End result, we spent money and got a another cue. Didn't quite feel any love....just some cash leaving our pockets.

BTW, Tinkerbell and Peter Pan both say "hello".
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You just don't know when to leave it alone do you?

You really have to ask yourself why I mentioned that particular deal? So I don't know what I'm talking about? Well, let me enlighten you on what I do know.

1. I do know that I'm the guy you traded that Southwest to.
2. I do know what you quoted as the price--$2800, directly to my face.
3. I do know I traded that cue to Don a few hours later as part of the deal to get the Hercek on Ebay right now.
4. I do know you quoted Don $2000 on that cue when he dealt it back to you.

So go ahead and show your ass some yet again by telling me that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Regardless, thanks again for showing all the cue community at large the way you do business.
 
1pRoscoe said:
thank GOD this is going a different direction!!

I haven't had any yet.. I had a certain design in mind and did quite a bit of research. From three different message forums, his name kept coming up over and over with VERY pleased people.

I shot him an email and let him know that I was interested in him building a cue for me. We've traded probably 40 emails and spent well over an hour in addition discussing more over the phone. I've got some progress pics in this thread, however it will look completely different when finished. There are still a few small inlays to go. He is a hell of a nice guy!

I resized the pic, as the original was 2x as large. His points and veneers are flawless.

I'm anxiously awaiting - should be less than a month. His overall turnaround has only been 4 months to date.
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Man, that's a nice looking cue. I like the classic stuff....minimalist, sharp prongs, and unique ring work. I'd like to see the finished product. He told me that he was going to be at Valley Forge, so I'm looking forward to seeing his cues in person. Sean
 
UGOTDA7 said:
You just don't know when to leave it alone do you?

You really have to ask yourself why I mentioned that particular deal? So I don't know what I'm talking about? Well, let me enlighten you on what I do know.

1. I do know that I'm the guy you traded that Southwest to.
2. I do know what you quoted as the price--$2800, directly to my face.
3. I do know I traded that cue to Don a few hours later as part of the deal to get the Hercek on Ebay right now.
4. I do know you quoted Don $2000 on that cue when he dealt it back to you.

So go ahead and show your ass some yet again by telling me that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Regardless, thanks again for showing all the cue community at large the way you do business.
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I do know for a fact that "I" did not quote anyone $2800 on the cocobolo SW you are referring to, so you are mistaken. You may have worked your trade with Scott or Matt, but I'm here speaking for myself.

BTW, I am leaving this thread alone. What deals are done mean nothing now, and the participants are privy to the often complex details with them.
 
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Man, that's a nice looking cue. I like the classic stuff....minimalist, sharp prongs, and unique ring work. I'd like to see the finished product. He told me that he was going to be at Valley Forge, so I'm looking forward to seeing his cues in person. Sean
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I had in mind a simple 4pt veneered cue with nice ring work. I'll be sure to post pics when it's done. Still trying to decide what color wrap... I think. I bet Jack will just surprise me though, cause I keep going back and forth between two.

Trade you for a Southwest. :p
 
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