All of which could be used in a single match.
Posted for those that are curious and would like to learn. Personally, I lean toward the pull and pull/push strokes.
I leave the push stroke alone.
Have fun out there.
John
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All of which could be used in a single match.
Posted for those that are curious and would like to learn. Personally, I lean toward the pull and pull/push strokes.
I leave the push stroke alone.
Have fun out there.
John
Someone else trying to reinvent the wheel.
Think a lot of people have bad fundamentals, and refuse to stand, a star over.
Foundation is off kilter, and end game crashes.
Think a lot of people have bad fundamentals, and refuse to stand, a star over.
Foundation is off kilter, and end game crashes.
Those aren't different "stroking" methods - there's no "pushing" or "pulling" and no different muscles involved (unless you're dropping your elbow when "pushing"). They're just slightly different grip hand positions at contact.
pj
chgo
Your right PJ there are no different muscles involved when pulling because the grip hand is leading and the lower bicep is following. When using the pull/push stroke the grip leads until the tip of the cue is at the cue ball then the triceps pushes (grip hand closed) the cue thru the cue ball.
By the way, I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel.
I like Lee Brett's explanation grip hand plays in the execution of the stroke.
" The index finger and thumb are the steering wheel, the other 3 fingers are the engine".
If you want to experience what that feels like, learn to throw the cue at the cue ball on the forward stroke. A lot of pro's use this and there is no muscle involved, nothing but pure finger movement. The grip leads and the rest of the arm follows. Just watch their grip hand, it will start in one position and finish in another on the cue.
This is my last post on this subject. If you don't want to experiment with these styles, then don't. Watch the pro's when they play, ask yourself "how are they stroking the cue ball".
I think you'll be surprised.
John
The biceps muscle pulls the forearm up toward the shoulder; the triceps pulls it down away from the shoulder - in other words, using the triceps would move the cue backwards (away from the CB).
Maybe thinking of it as "pushing and pulling" is a useful visualization, but strictly speaking it isn't what happens.
pj
chgo
since "push" is a forward motion
the cue is technically pushing the cue ball
i think if your cue is rear balanced you may feel like you are pulling
and vice versa
jmho
icbw
Yes, the cue is technically pushing the cue ball no matter what the arm is doing, because it's pushing the cue ball from behind (the cue ball's motion is "forward").
Similarly, the grip hand pushes the part of the cue that's in front of it and pulls the part that's behind it - both at once.
Pushing or pulling is defined by the relative positions of the two things (in front or behind) along the line of motion.
pj
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I expected a porn vid.
Bye.
Bye.
Could you not argue that the relative positions could be determined by the location of their centers of mass...?
If, you followed that premise. Then you could say that you're pulling the cue rather than pushing. Even though the cue is pushing the CB, and the grip hand has cue on either side of it.
Well, I think you're correct. You have a shaft like a cue. And with that shaft you can PULL, POUND, OR BEAT IT. But what you can't do is PUSH IT. Therefore, push has to be questioned and probably eliminated.
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I wouldn't argue that, and even if true it wouldn't change my statement.
pj
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Categorizing strokes as pushing, pulling or some hybrid is pointless in my view. Maybe for some people it helps to think about the stroke for a particular situation as being somehow different helps their execution. I think any such help is psychological rather than physical.
I think it is better not to fill your head with such irrelevancies. It can prevent seeing what is really going on.
I think it is better not to fill your head with such irrelevancies. It can prevent seeing what is really going on.
tomatoshooter
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Does that mean a push in the bush is far better than a few pulls in the hand?
tomatoshooter
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Definitely.
That is really an "it depends and not necessarily" especially with certain ones.
There are several ways to stroke a cue. I have tried many different methods myself. For a while I was exploring minimizing arm movement and swinging mostly from the wrist (on soft to medium shots). I played with a deathgrip for several years with ok to moderate success. Still, I found much greater success swinging from the elbow and controlling hand influence by using the palm and fingers as a wall and finding a groove in which the cue rode. I would start up with a completely loose grip and gradually tighten the grip during the practise strokes, concentrating on keeping the cue unaffected by the grip until the grip reached it's final tightness on the actual stroke. Suddenly my longpotting ability increased. I also introduced long forward AND back pauses. This stopped me from snatching the forward stroke under pressure, which has been the bane of my poolplaying career. Believe me, I'm going to work ONLY on that for a while, because I'm very worried the snatching may sneak back in.
I've restarted playing now, after 2 years off, and training for a snooker championship. Had a lot of time to think about what to change, and really now, I think I've found the recipe that works for me. Your milage may differ. For some reason, my touch is better now in snooker than in pool. I think maybe the pauses are so different from how I played pool before, that my calculations are thrown off a little. But in snooker it really helps.
I've restarted playing now, after 2 years off, and training for a snooker championship. Had a lot of time to think about what to change, and really now, I think I've found the recipe that works for me. Your milage may differ. For some reason, my touch is better now in snooker than in pool. I think maybe the pauses are so different from how I played pool before, that my calculations are thrown off a little. But in snooker it really helps.
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