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[BRussell]

That is not the point. It is about the level of the competing players. In the Snooker WC there are players from maybe six or seven nations, sometimes even less with a heavy focus on the UK and China.
But these are the best players in the world and the winner of this event can rightly call himself World Champion.

If you call something a World Championship and you can`t get a high amount of top players competing, then it doesn`t really matter if there are 1, 10 or 100 countries featured. You might have a cool, fun tournament with lots of players, but you don`t have a World Championship.

Oh come on. No one thinks these are comparable to the pro snooker World Championship. These are amateur leagues. Pros are not allowed to play in them.

The little league world series is going on right now. Would you complain that they shouldn't call it "world series" because pro teams aren't in it?

 

[nine_ball6970]

Oh come on. No one thinks these are comparable to the pro snooker World Championship. These are amateur leagues. Pros are not allowed to play in them.

The little league world series is going on right now. Would you complain that they shouldn't call it "world series" because pro teams aren't in it?

You must spread some rep around before giving to BRussell again.

Didn't think about Little League World Series but definitely true.

 

[Coop1701]

APA Finals or APA Championships would do I guess

TGI Fridays in Jacksonville is Excellent. I hear they sell food and drinks other nights of the week too.

 

[lorider]

That is not the point. It is about the level of the competing players. In the Snooker WC there are players from maybe six or seven nations, sometimes even less with a heavy focus on the UK and China.
But these are the best players in the world and the winner of this event can rightly call himself World Champion.

If you call something a World Championship and you can`t get a high amount of top players competing, then it doesn`t really matter if there are 1, 10 or 100 countries featured. You might have a cool, fun tournament with lots of players, but you don`t have a World Championship.

Brussell made a very good point on why its more than marketing hype in post 24.

I would like to address your comment about the best from 6 or 7 countries playing for a world championship in snooker. As in apa the world champion snooker tournament does not encompass much of the rest of the world.

As far as level of competition the same could be said about the best players in this organization gathering to play in apas world championship.

Its not a simple matter of paying an entry fee and then you get to play.

You first have to win your division out right one semester or win a playoff berth in a session in order to qualify for a tri annual tournament which makes you eligible to play in the once a year local qualifier for Vegas.

Once you win a tri annual qualifier you have to finish in the top percentile of your division each session or you will lose your eligibility for the Vegas qualifier. In Other words you cant qualify then coast along waiting for the national qualifier.

What that means is you have to be the best in your area for that year in order to go to Vegas and play the best from other cities ...not only in USA but from Canada and the other side of the world in Japan as well.

With that said I see no reason they cant be called apa world champions

 

[BRussell]

Thats interesting. For example here in Czech Republic if a player of any nationality becomes a member of Czech billiard federation via his/her membership in a billiard club here he/she becomes eligible for competing in Czech pool tour and also is eligible to qualify through CPT for Czech nationals and can become Czech champion if he wins it. The only thing he/she cant be eligible for is spot on national squad as he/she doesnt have czech passport. So thats how we deal with that problem - basically that problem doesnt exist for us here

We Americans have trouble with it. We wrongly call international organizations "National" or "American" all the time because we forget about the other countries. And then on the other side we call National events "World" events and get in trouble for that. And then we call ourselves America and Americans as if we're the only country in two whole continents.

Be patient with us. :wink:

 

[decent dennis]

If they want to call them APA World Championships or BCA World Championships fine but when i see a stream saying it's the world championships it's not.

 

[easy-e]

I have answered that one already. While technically one country is involved the best players from all over the world compete in it which KINDA gives some value to the "World series" name...

Don’t tell the Blue Jays that only one county is involved!

 

[Coop1701]

Don’t tell the Blue Jays that only one county is involved!

Is Canada even a country? You could buy a tank off of Ebay and a old Rusted Cruiser. You could take Canada in a fight.

 

[Low500]

Do you get worked up when you go to a restaurant and see "Jumbo Shrimp" on the menu?

:thumbup2:

 

[hang-the-9]

Don’t tell the Blue Jays that only one county is involved!

You mean North Montana?

"Meet the Robinsons | Part 3
Full script and pictures
Canada? I think you mean North Montana. Hasn't been called Canada in years. Do you know Sam Gundersen? It's a big country. State. I wonder if you're related. Maybe if he took his hat off. Oh, good idea. Then we can see if he has the family cowlick. He can't, because he's got bad hat-hair. Oh, nonsense. A North Montana man doesn't care about hat-hair. "

 

[Cameron Smith]

I think calling it the APA World Amateur Championships is reasonably fair and honest. You could also call it the International Amateur Championships as well. Personally, I even cringe at the IBSF calling their tournaments a World Championship even though the players in that event are the best snooker players who just aren't competing on the main tour at that moment.

 

[nine_ball6970]

Just out of curiosity - how many of Fargorate World Top100 players compete in "APA World Pool Championships"?

It is an amateur league so I think you already know the answer to that question. Or do you believe players in the top 100 are amateurs?

Brian Parks plays in the APA regularly. He is capable of beating anyone in the world when on top of his game.

APA is set up so that a wide range of skill levels play in the team format. You cannot have a stacked team.

APA will continue to be successful while BCA is in a downward spiral. Look at how many teams went to Vegas this year comparing APA to BCA. There are more lower level players in APA. Nothing wrong with that. They should be able to compete like anyone else.

The funny thing is a large percentage of APA players have more money than any professional pool player. Some people like to look down on players who are successful in other avenues of life and simply play pool for enjoyment as a hobby.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... If you want to get technical, the only sport I can think of which has an actual World Tournament is soccer. ..

Then you need to read more about cue sports. Pool, carom and snooker all have real world championships.

Snooker actually has two world championships, professional and amateur. Entry to the professional version requires a high pro tour standing. Entry to the amateur one only requires that the snooker federation in your country nominate you (and that the national federation belong to the world organization).

In the case of the carom (3-cushion) world championship, entry is from the top-ranked players on the pro tour plus nominations by the continental confederations. A total of 48 players compete.

And I'm pretty sure that lots of sports recognized by the IOC have world championships .... after a very brief search, here's an example (from Wikipedia):

The Women's Baseball World Cup is an international tournament in which national women's baseball teams from around the world compete. Through its 2012 edition, it was sanctioned by the International Baseball Federation; following the 2013 merger of the IBAF with the International Softball Federation, future tournaments will be sanctioned by the World Baseball Softball Confederation (WBSC). In the seven times it has been held, the tournament has been won twice by the United States and five consecutive times by Japan in 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016.​

The next edition of the womens' world championships will be held in Florida and starts in one week.

 

[mvp]

Wonder how many American teams would go if the tourney moved to Japan?

 

[lorider]

Wonder how many American teams would go if the tourney moved to Japan?

Count me in ..

Are you aware that apa hosts a national 8 ball tournament in Hawaii ? Its called the aloha division.. If I am not mistaken a team from here won it this year....or so I heard.

 

[Celophanewrap]

Now dont get me wrong, i like any endeavour which brings popularity into pool and I understand that APA league provides a platform where both casual and not so casual players as well can compete against each other. There are some issues with handicapping but other than that it is fine. But what I cant get my head around is naming APA Championships as a "APA World Pool Championships". Like REALLY??? Why would anyone think that APA covers the whole world? It surely doesnt,not even a majority of it, to my understanding APA covers USA, Canada and maybe Japan and calling it World Pool Championships seems like a big overkill. The problem with it is that some of the participants REALLY think that this is it..world championships..and they dont see beyond,they dont understand that the name is just a marketing BS. One of my friends gave APA quite a brutal nickname: "Alcoholic poolplayer anonymous". I wouldnt go that far but I really think that"APA World Pool Championships" name is NOT deserved by the longest stretch of the imagination....

It’s great when you own something, you can call it whatever you want.

In 2015 when I went. They made a very big deal out of being 4 countries. I have no idea how many were present this year or last year. I just remember hearing that number.

The 4th country was China. I don’t believe that ever really got off the ground the way
they’d hoped. No one has mentioned it in a while, I don’t know if it’s still something
they’re trying to work out or if it’s a dead issue.

 

[nine_ball6970]

Then you need to read more about cue sports. Pool, carom and snooker all have real world championships.

Snooker actually has two world championships, professional and amateur. Entry to the professional version requires a high pro tour standing. Entry to the amateur one only requires that the snooker federation in your country nominate you (and that the national federation belong to the world organization).

In the case of the carom (3-cushion) world championship, entry is from the top-ranked players on the pro tour plus nominations by the continental confederations. A total of 48 players compete.

And I'm pretty sure that lots of sports recognized by the IOC have world championships .... after a very brief search, here's an example (from Wikipedia):

The Women's Baseball World Cup is an international tournament in which national women's baseball teams from around the world compete. Through its 2012 edition, it was sanctioned by the International Baseball Federation; following the 2013 merger of the IBAF with the International Softball Federation, future tournaments will be sanctioned by the World Baseball Softball Confederation (WBSC). In the seven times it has been held, the tournament has been won twice by the United States and five consecutive times by Japan in 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016.​

The next edition of the womens' world championships will be held in Florida and starts in one week.

I was speaking about a sport where each country has one representative. In soccer, the best team is assembled in each country. They then play qualifiers to determine which 32 countries will be in the actual World Cup tournament.

In cue sports, there are several countries with a large number of representatives participating in a so-called world tournament.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... In soccer, the best team is assembled in each country. ...

How many countries don't have soccer teams? I'm betting the number is not zero.

How many of the other sports recognized by the IOC have world tournaments with participation numbers similar to soccer? I'm betting the number is not zero.

 

[nine_ball6970]

How many countries don't have soccer teams? I'm betting the number is not zero.

How many of the other sports recognized by the IOC have world tournaments with participation numbers similar to soccer? I'm betting the number is not zero.

Google lists 195 countries in the world.

210 nations are affiliated to FIFA and therefore eligible to enter the tournament. (This is more than the number of independent nations generally recognised in the world, as FIFA recognises nations differently - for example it sees England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales as four separate nations, although all four together make up the single sovereign state of the United Kingdom.)

For the 2018 tournament all 210 nations entered the tournament although Zimbabwe and Indonesia were disqualified before playing any matches.

Take from that what you will regarding soccer. It seems if any sport had similar entry, it would be in the Olympics.

 

[Ghosst]

One of my friends gave APA quite a brutal nickname: "Alcoholic poolplayer anonymous"...

You misspelled, "Aiming Fluid".

There are more important things to be worked up over than the egotism of a pool league. Be more concerned in the decline of the education system to the point that, "flat earthers", or, "anti-vaxxers", can even exist.