5 Consecutive Racks Of 9 Ball
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Andy Gilbert
its probably about 12.5 right now, haven't checked it lately
Straight taper, don't know how many inches, just know that it feels right
i use a sniper now, used to use a moori hard
ivory ferrule, ferrule is 3/4 inch long, i can't shoot with a longer or shorter ferrule because one of the ways i sight shots.
VAP
its probably about 12.5 right now, haven't checked it lately
Straight taper, don't know how many inches, just know that it feels right
i use a sniper now, used to use a moori hard
ivory ferrule, ferrule is 3/4 inch long, i can't shoot with a longer or shorter ferrule because one of the ways i sight shots.
VAP
yrraltsafone
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***********************************************Smorgass Bored said:
You could not find a pair of chop sticks.
titlistsucker
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Running 5 racks consecutively in a tournament, in a friendly match, or in a high stakes money game is different. WAY DIFFERENT...
i ve run 5 racks in friendlies where the stake was the table. There was no pressure and all smiles...
But in a tournament i only ever managed 3. and that was on a no namer. The situation dictates the pressure, and the pressure counts on how well u can perform...
Notice that when "on the hill" in a competitive match we never get a good break? Thats the mind at work...
ops.. we suppose to be talking bout equipment here?
i broke with a J & J, Played with a old Joss.
i ve run 5 racks in friendlies where the stake was the table. There was no pressure and all smiles...
But in a tournament i only ever managed 3. and that was on a no namer. The situation dictates the pressure, and the pressure counts on how well u can perform...
Notice that when "on the hill" in a competitive match we never get a good break? Thats the mind at work...
ops.. we suppose to be talking bout equipment here?
i broke with a J & J, Played with a old Joss.
yrraltsafone
Banned
***********************************************Williebetmore said:
Then lets do exactly that, at next years DCC, I come into the room and bet any poster on the board they can't break and run 5 racks, and cover any bet, any amount, ten to one. So many rail birds play great in their minds on their computers. Behind our desks typing away, we are all run out players aren't we? I never missed a shot, behind my computer. All you 5 pack runners come get me and clean my butt out. Try and back this macho BS with some serious cash, and reality checks in hard.
Fone man I work for Sprint in KCMO, they call me the Kc Kid.
I've broke and ran out 5 packs a few times over the years and although it does sound impressive, it doesn't satisfy me the same as running out 5 racks in a game of straight pool. As far as the equipment goes, although it is nice to have a good cue, it isn't necessary because I've had 5 packs with a house cue a few times. But hey, thats just my opinion.
yrraltsafone
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PoolFool said:
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Ok, the entire board has all ran 5 to 10 packs, but there has to be one poor soul who has not, can he come forth and tell the truth? Fone Man, the Kc Kid
> I've had strings of 5 racks from the break exactly 5 times in my 15 years of serious play. That's once every 3 years on average,not too strong in my book,when you consider that strong locals and shortstops that play constantly probably have a 5 rack run once a week,for players like Earl and Efren,probably at least once in an 8 hour session. My high run is 6,on a loose 8 footer,once again not that strong,when you consider that I played on that table 6 hours a day for 3 years. The strongest individual set I've ever played was a race to 13 where my only 2 mistakes were not freezing the cue ball on a safety and a push to a spot where I had to jump a ball to get a hit,along with a 5 rack run and a 4 in the same set. This was a 100 dollar gambling match. All of these were done with the same cue,a 1991 Runde era Schon,absolute one of a kind,standard 58" length,13.25 ivory ferruled shafts,and custom taper. My shafts have no straight section,beefier up front and a little thinner in the back,similar to a brand new SW stiff-tapered shaft. Tommy D.
Wow, well today I use a Schon cue and Predator shaft w/ moori tip.
I ran my first 6 pack with a Cuetec housecue with some really hard tip. I was breaking them so good that my blind grandmother could have made the runs. I just found the sweet spot on the break and was mashing them and falling good on the one everytime. I almost ran 7, but dogged it. These days I play so little, my break isn't that great and I'm stuck on 2's or 3's (which I figure ain't bad for playing once a week). If I could just play more than once a week and get my break going I'd be in business.
In 9 ball I don't think it is as much about the equipment as it is about breaking the balls well.
I ran my first 6 pack with a Cuetec housecue with some really hard tip. I was breaking them so good that my blind grandmother could have made the runs. I just found the sweet spot on the break and was mashing them and falling good on the one everytime. I almost ran 7, but dogged it. These days I play so little, my break isn't that great and I'm stuck on 2's or 3's (which I figure ain't bad for playing once a week). If I could just play more than once a week and get my break going I'd be in business.
In 9 ball I don't think it is as much about the equipment as it is about breaking the balls well.
On a fluke I broke and ran out two racks of one pocket for money and my opponent quit me. They played winner breaks (instead of alternate break) for whatever reason. Hit the second ball a bit too full, which brought the corner ball over on their side (total sellout) but lucked a ball into my hole and ran out the rack both times. I'm reminded of this because I did it again last Sunday playing Captains. I think breaking and running out in one pocket for money is much more gratifying than 9 ball, even though it is usually due to 100% luck off of the break. I did this with my Schon and predator.
My best is 7, and i ran 6 and 5 several times (btw, I ran a 4 pack yesterday night). I agree with people saying that for these runs the most important shot is the break. So, my current break cue is an X-Breaker.
Playing cue: Cognoscenti
Diameter: 13 mm
TAper: dunno, standard Cog shaft (the stiffer of the two that come with the cue)
Tip: Moori Medium
Playing cue: Cognoscenti
Diameter: 13 mm
TAper: dunno, standard Cog shaft (the stiffer of the two that come with the cue)
Tip: Moori Medium
pharaoh68
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yrraltsafone said:...Its amazing what you can get by with on the internet when nobody can check up on you. The entire board has ran 10 racks.
I would guess unless you are a super strong apa 7 you have never ran 5.
I would also guess less than 1% of this board, or any player in pool has done this. 5 racks of 8 or 9 ball is rare, pro level performance. When you run 5, its time to pack the car and leave Oklahoma for NYC and get down with the big boys. 3 racks is stronger than whale poop.
Its called the fish grows, the more you tell the story, the more racks you ran. The bigger the fish grows.
I never claimed to run 10 racks. Never will. Its a nearly impossible feat. I ran 5 once. Thats it! Just once. And the funny part is, when I finally missed, it was the easiest side pocket shot that I missed because I was so nervous. Know why? I thought I had run two and was midway through my third. It wasn't until after the rack that my opponent (a friend of mine) walked outside to smoke a cigarette. When I followed him out, he looked amazed and I asked why. He said "Are you kidding me? You just ran 5 racks on me! How am I supposed to feel?"
I told him he was wrong. That it was only two. Thats when another friend piped up and said that he was watching the whole thing. He confirmed the five.
So, there you have it. I'm not pro. Far from it. And I may never reach five again. But dude, don't be surprised if a group of people respond saying they ran five racks. Its more than possible. Try going onto a golf forum and asking how many people have nailed a hole in one.
yrraltsafone said:
Fone-man,
I think you must have a loose connection. You do not seem to be getting the gist of this thread. NO ONE is claiming that they run fivers all of the time (other than me claiming satman is even money to do it on a bar table - and I only did that to try to get a better spot from him when we lock horns
).Only a total newbie would think otherwise. Several posters have tried to correct you, I'll try one more time.
Here are the facts: there are a lot of great players on this board, there has been NO "macho BS" in this thread AT ALL (except perhaps for your snide assertions about everyone's honesty), everyone here who has contributed so far to this thread is probably spot-on accurate, and the regular posters here are SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK about pool . Deal with it ('cause at this point there are probably few people taking you very seriously).
P.S. - At this point I can safely say that you are not yet invited to the AZB room at next year's DCC. I hope you will adapt here over time so that we may yet enjoy the pleasure of your company.
P.P.S. - On a loosely related note, someone has suggested that we have an official AZB Room "Room Goon" at next year's DCC (and we have had actual volunteers) to deal with misbehavior. I'm strongly hoping that isn't necessary.
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JoeyA said:
I'm glad you asked for clarification, because I think not only do a lot of pool players not know the difference, but I also think a lot of cuemakers don't know the difference.
The classic pro taper was developed by the early cuemakers, starting with Rambow, and followed by Balabushka in the east and Martin in the west (along with others). Many people thought that the classic pro taper was cylindrical and that the diameter was meant to stay constant for the first several inches. That was never the case with Rambow. Rambow always wanted growth in the shaft.
The Professional Taper made by the Schuler Cue Company (Ray was a Rambow disciple) is the same taper as Rambow made. My memory in measuring was that if the ferrule is at 13mm, at 10" it's about 13.3, and maybe 13.5 at 14". Don't quote me on that. The growth could be more.
So, many cuemakers who followed after Rambow assumed the cylindrical delayed taper, and the rest is history. Several cuemakers make their version of a "pro taper," which I always call "delayed taper" to differentiate it from a classic pro taper. My first Meucci started at 13.125 mm (13 1/8th) and was at about 13.25 at 14". Still some growth, but closer to constant. I also think Bob was trying to maintain growth, but keep it as constant as possible.
I'd be interested to hear other measurements.
Fred
yrraltsafone said:
This is the type of posts that really bring the board down several levels. Nobody said they run 5 packs every day. The question was "a 5-pack at least once." If someone's high run is a 5-pack, then that means they have some semblence of skill, but certainly no suggestions of being competitive against pro players.
Fred
Koop said:
Yeah, I'll join in here... I almost ran a two-pack once, but I didn't make a ball on the second break
You're right, yrraltsafone, when you say only a super-strong APA 7 could ever run a five-pack. I think you'd be a super-strong 7 before you ever ran a 3-pack. If you can run a three-pack once in your life, your best game is already good enough to win some pretty big tournaments in my area (DC). So all the people saying "running a 5-pack is no big deal" are very wrong, in my opinion. It takes years and years of dedication and practice, combined with a good bit of natural ability, to reach that level.
But I'm prepared to believe that most of the people who have posted in this thread are telling the truth. You're on the best pool forum on the web here as far as I've been able to tell, so all the best poolplayers who have the computer access and tech-inclination to post on an online forum are here. Many of them have played pool at a level I'll probably never get to, and I'm a very serious student of the game.
-Andrew
pharaoh68
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Andrew Manning said:Yeah, I'll join in here... I almost ran a two-pack once, but I didn't make a ball on the second break
You're right, yrraltsafone, when you say only a super-strong APA 7 could ever run a five-pack. I think you'd be a super-strong 7 before you ever ran a 3-pack.
If you can run a three-pack once in your life, your best game is already good enough to win some pretty big tournaments in my area (DC). So all the people saying "running a 5-pack is no big deal" are very wrong, in my opinion. It takes years and years of dedication and practice, combined with a good bit of natural ability, to reach that level.
Andrew-
I have to disagree with you there. I am not an APA 7. I'm a 6. I probably could be a 7 if I didn't dump here and there but that isn't to say that I'd be a super-strong 7. I'd be average.
Running 5 racks is a very monumentous feat. That is true. But running two or three is not really something of a marvel. I have run 5 racks, as I stated earlier, once in my life. I know its a mark I will most likely never reach again. But 3 racks can happen a helluva lot more frequently. Running 3 racks (or having the ability to) does NOT make you a powerhouse. If you're break is on and you are even a solid B player, you can put up three racks every now and then.
This guy has a screw loose if he thinks anyone is claiming that they can run 5 racks all the time. LOL maybe he should go back to school and learn how to read. He seems to also believe we are broke dicks living in the hood. No thats guys who hang out in pool rooms looking for marks. Oh wait, what does his profile say again?