70's Ronnie v/s 2days Efren???

I know this is all fantasy stuff here guys..but I think this thread could have a high degree of entertainment value..

So who would win in One Pocket?..today's Efren or circa 1975 Ronnie Allen?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Let the games begin..

Btw, I think Efren could give circa Ronnie 8-7..maybe 8-7/9-7..IMHO:cool:
 
Don't know, never saw Ronnie play in the day - but how can anything beat Efren!? lol
 
AZE said:
Don't know, never saw Ronnie play in the day - but how can anything beat Efren!? lol

Agree! I don't see how you could beat Efren right now. About Jersey Red playing better then Ronnie- I always heard that Ronnie would win with 9-8, but lose with 8-7.
 
efren vs greats with same execution ability

the question that never gets asked and i think is MUCH more interesting (no offense to poster), is who would win efren with his own brain vs efren with the brain of say artie bodendorfer, jack kooney, grady mathews, allen hopkins, or ronnie allen......etc

what i mean is, if ALL these players had the same executuion ability as efren, who would win. the answer has always been simple to me (i have a tape where grady goes hill-hill with efren but meantime he cant make a stinking ball offense wise), but who knows.
 
for what its worth IMO........of all the footage I have of Ronnie and Efren, Ronnie was both SUPER aggressively innovative, suffocating, and yet a little too loose to beat Efren.....both at their best. Ronnie might have been able to smuther 95% of the best players, but Efren DOESN'T fold! Efren would take any loose shot and run 8, 10, 15 or whatever he needs to get out.

BUT, holy crap that would be a great game to sweat! :D

Gerry
 
There's an Accu-Stats tape of Buddy Hall & Ray Martin playing one-pocket with Cardone, Freddy the Beard, and Ronnie Allen doing commentary. They asked Ronnie how he thought he would have done against Efren, he replied that Efren might win but he'd be too tired to spend it.

The commentary alone on that video is worth the price.
 
Circa '75 Ronnie Allen would roll into the pool room like 10 kinds of thunder sporting a heavy amount of paisley print polyester with his case in one hand and a courvasier and club soda in the other. He'd keep his pimp hands strong and would barely have to break a sweat taking down the cheese
 
Everyone I have ever spoken to that had the pleasure of seeing both in their primes tells me Efren. There are some great one pocket players in the last ten years (Cliff, scott, Shannon, JJ, Cooney, Toby, Corey, Alex, etc) and no one will think of playing Efren even for big money. Remember Efren picked up the game while he was in his 30's. he is so freaking creative and he executes better than Ronnie did. I gave Effie 3 to 1 on a triple shimmed gold crown that he could break and take ball in hand after the break, but he had to run all 15 balls in the bottom right corner. I pulled up after he ran the first 2 racks. i offered Corey the same game at 5 to 1. I backed Cliffo for awile and seen him play flawless onepocket. when he plays Efren everything he does Effie has an answer for. Efren's onepocket game has picked up a ton in the last 5-10 years. Tournaments and cash games doesn't matter Efren plays onepocket like he's from another world. I have a friend who bet Manny Pacquio my friend had the field at Derby City giving 3 to 2 during the 1pkt tourney and Manny had Efren betting 20 dimes. I'm glad i din't take that action. If you give Efren an opening during the game it's 8 and out more often then not. He gets behind the balls up table like he is placing the ball up there.
 
Allen VS Reyes

Both great players for sure!
Like all hypothetical questions - there are only if's and buts - having said that, in my opinion - If Ronnie Allen is playing his best game and Efern is playing his best game I'd bet on Allen. (not the mortgage)

in Allens day players worked hard at keeping their skill level under wraps.
Nowdays its just the opposite (not Eferns fault) the better people think you are - more $ you make

every time Efern plays camera's are on him not a player in the world wouldn't spot him the minute he walked in a pool room- most people back in the day didn't know Ronnie for the first week he was in a poolroom. Sometimes after he was gone they still didn't know who he was.

players made money gambling back then - there was very little money in tournaments . If you won a big tournament you would be playing 1 handed - 1 handed jacked up - playing with a broom stick - playing with your case (the little suitcase type) - only way you would get action.

Very few people ever saw Allens "A" game - the oldtimers will tell you he seldom needed it.

having said all that I wouldn't want to have to live on the difference between the 2 guys and I knew guys who played 1 pocket in DC in the 40's who used to tell me about guys (they said) woulda beat em both.
 
bigskyjake said:
Circa '75 Ronnie Allen would roll into the pool room like 10 kinds of thunder sporting a heavy amount of paisley print polyester with his case in one hand and a courvasier and club soda in the other. He'd keep his pimp hands strong and would barely have to break a sweat taking down the cheese


??? :confused: This is why he would beat Efren?
 
Efren today is just a mere shadow of his great self. Back in the early 70s up
to the middle 70s, I had the pleasure of watching Efren in his prime. I used to
skip school just to see him in action playing big money games. Efren was the
urban legend of pool back then, spotting everybody the nuts (or so they
thought) and ending up with all the moolah who went against him. He even
said that best pool he ever played was when he was in his early 20s, and
sportswriter John Grissim can attest to that. He even witness Efren racking
up 15 balls and ran out 5 times from everywhere playing Rotation! That's
even harder than straight pool!

The wear and tear on his body started showing up in the early 90s, bad
eyesight, aching back and shaky hands were evident.

Imagine Efren back when he was in his early 20s, combine with his 1 pocket
knowledge of today, I couldn't imagine were Ronnie Allen would end up
after the smoke of the battle clears up!
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bigskyjake said:
circa '75 RA smokes Reyes

Nobody, including RA in his prime, would "smoke" Efren playing 1P. He might have given Efren all he wanted, or possibly beat him on occasion, but to say he would "smoke" him is one of the most asinine statements I have ever read on this forum.
 
If you locked them in the fantasy room...Ronnie would come out fat in the pockets. Not saying anyone gets drilled, no spots...none of that noise. Just my opinion...:p
 
Voodoo Daddy said:
If you locked them in the fantasy room...Ronnie would come out fat in the pockets. Not saying anyone gets drilled, no spots...none of that noise. Just my opinion...:p





Did Ronnie held Efren at gunpoint?
That's the only way he can take the loot away from Efren...
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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't there a ton of players willing to take on Ronnie with a spot of a ball or two? Didn't he always have action?

How many players today are lining up to take on Efren with just a one ball spot?
 
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