8 Ball Analyze: Rack #5

klockdoc said:
The way I look at it, is from 1 1/2 diamonds over from the corner (measuring from the same corner that the side pocket is), anything on that line or inside will not go "consistently" in the side pocket.

I just use that as a rule if shapes are needed and do not shoot it. If anything it is about as reliable shot as trying to purposely scratch in that pocket on the shot you described.
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I agree with the Doc. 5 in the side is risky. Plus, Skunk had no plan for the 1.

I'm having a hard time picturing the angle on the 4 to the corner. If I can cheat the corner to the left, this rack is easier.

Looks like the corner pockets are generous and have shallow throats, so I'm saying the 7 passes the 13 clean and/or catches enough of the far pocket point to roll in if hit softly off the side rail at <1/2 diamond up side rail.

SAFE OPENING 1: A pretty strong opening safe would be calling the 4 in the corner and rolling the CB barely into the 5-7-13 mess. CB will likely be in double kiss range of the 13. The return play to avoid a foul would probably alter the layout significantly, and my crystal ball gets cloudy.

SAFE OPEN 2: Play off left side of 1 ball and position cue as close behind 10 as possible. 1 ball should move to side rail. Incoming player has tough 1 bank, or a shot on the 10 that goes nowhere.

GO FOR IT:
1. Pocket 1 with low inside kill. End up with CB even with start position but 12" closer to bottom side pocket.
2. Pocket 4 with follow and cheat corner pocket to left. CB follows into or thru 13, moving 13 toward left end rail middle.
3. Should have shot on 7 or 5 into upper right corner. Other one goes in upper left corner. Key here is to return CB to middle of table after this 2 ball pattern.
4. Then, it's 3 to lower left corner, coming off left side rail for position on 2 into upper right corner. Soft follow for position on 6 to bottom side.
5. 8 into upper side, upper right or bottom right corners.

Only touchy steps are #1 and #3.

Keep them coming.




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Houstoer said:
I just want to say thank you for posting this stuff. I'm lovin it ! I'm mainly an 8 ball player and this type of stuff is EXACTLY why I tune into AZ. To develop my game. Its great reading different people's reaction to how they would do it. I even line the stuff up at home and try a couple different patterns to see if I could do it. Greenies your way sir !!
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I agree. Thank you very much for posting. Like 'Houstoer,' it is why I originally came to the forums, and I also learn a great deal from just reading the suggested strategies of others. Having played mostly 9Ball, I am eager to first strengthen my fundamental skills, then build my confidence toward what I believe will become a greater preference for 8Ball.
 
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Play 5-13 combo with shape towards the left side long rail for the 14 to break out the 2 stripes in the center of table.

The 9 is right there if you happen to not get shape on the 2 balls in the center. The 9 ball provides easy ways to get shape on the 2 stripes in the center if needed.

The 10 ball in the kitchen is easy from anywhere on the left side of the table. I leave it as a safety valve and I use it or the one of the balls below for shape on the 8 ball thats wide open in several pockets.

When I am playing runout 8 ball I consider solving problems early, leaving safety valve shots, picking a key ball to get on the 8 early and ducking or tying up balls only as a last resort.All of this planning is done before the first shot after the break.
 
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I'm ducking

Id just assume duck right off the bat, and watch my opponent try his hand at this runout...breaking all my balls open while he's at it.
I really wouldn't put a single ball down, the more balls I got up, the better chances of a safe for me, and less chance he can hook me. I like my odds...have at it. I'll wait my turn !!!

I think I'd kick it off wi the 1 straight on, slow cue to the rail.
This would be a 5 inning game minimum.
 
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This is a perfect rack to practice barbox 8ball , it really tests your touch with cue ball movement.

I would attempt this rack with never trying to touch another ball. So many great players will pick this rack apart and make it look EASY with barely moving the cue ball.

I would start with the 3 in the corner with a stunish shot to the bottom rail and just off for the 2 in the corner, replace the cue ball with a stun where the 2 is for 6 in the side, stun over for the 7 in the corner by the 13, replace the 7 with a stun or over an inch on the rail for the 5 in the side, roll forward for 4 in the corner and use the 1 as your out ball.

There are so many things that can change in a rack every shot, but this is my plan from the start. You really have to have your cue ball on a string, but if you pick this rack apart with minimal cue ball movement and never touch a ball you will look like a champ in deadstroke!
 
mohrt said:
What to do? Besides work on that break :D

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Combo the stripe in using the 5, make 14 and nudge the 3 over to get shape on 9. Cut 9 in and spin over to nudge the 2 into the pack of solids, and then get out from there. The first 3 shots are key to opening up the table.
 
mohrt said:
What to do?
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Drop the 3 in the corner
roll the CB down for the 2 in the upper opposite corner
drop teh 2 in the upper corner
roll the CB for the 4 in the corner
drop the 4 and
back up CB for either the 7 in the same corner or the 1 in the opposite corner
roll the 1 in the corner with outside english and setup for the 7 in the corner
roll the 7 in the corner and setup for the 5 in the side
roll the 5 in the side and setup for a rail shot on the 6 into the opposite corner
leaving the CB to shoot the 8 in the side.
 
10, 14, 9 try to get good on the 15 for a slow easy stop shot send the 6 up table leave him froze or as close as you can get to the 15..

then see what he does from there..
 
softshot said:
10, 14, 9 try to get good on the 15 for a slow easy stop shot send the 6 up table leave him froze or as close as you can get to the 15..

then see what he does from there..
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Looks like 8 is in way ... a potential game losing scratch from the 2nd picture.
 
mohrt said:
What to do? Besides work on that break :D

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Start with the 14 in the corner and come off the rail hitting the 8 gently straight in the face with the cue ball. This will leave you on the 9 with an angle to come straight into the 2-15 crack. this will free up the 15 ball and the 12 will be open for the right corner. Reassess at this moment while the 13 is still blocking the five. If you see a route to glory from here go for it. If not you still have enough balls left to make a safety play and not make a return too easy. If you fail on position at any time you can duck and have cinched the better group of balls.

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Can't see why many are choosing the stripes. Solids out number stripes in every cluster so breakouts will likely favor the solids.

Someone mentioned a 4-1-8 final pattern. Can't imagine 1 ball being a key ball unless I was forced to use it as o e.


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backplaying said:
Just make sure not to shoot to hard and move the 2 over and block the 13 because the 13 does goes with the cueball around the 8 ball area.
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It's a High percentage shape shot seeing as you've got two balls to land on and you can cut the ball in at speed. And if it doesn't work out your next decision could easily be board play, forget the run out, but you'd know quickly after cutting in the 9 and you still have allot of your guys on the table for a defensive game.
 
Requires precision cb control, but the solids are runnable as is. Start with the 3. Get the cb down to the bottom rail straight in on the 2 to the upper corner. Follow the 2 a little and take the 6 in the side. Make sure you have a small angle on the 6 so you can float over for the 4 in the corner. You want to be close to but not straight in on the 4. Make the 4 and draw back for the 1, keeping an angle on the one so you can get close enough to the side rail to make the 7. You want a little angle on the 7. Shoot the 7 with a little follow to follow of the rail into the 13 nearly full. Shoot the 5 up in the far corner, and then the 8 in the side. Game over. Tough out, but doable, and only had to bump one ball.
 
Neil said:
Requires precision cb control, but the solids are runnable as is. Start with the 3. Get the cb down to the bottom rail straight in on the 2 to the upper corner. Follow the 2 a little and take the 6 in the side. Make sure you have a small angle on the 6 so you can float over for the 4 in the corner. You want to be close to but not straight in on the 4. Make the 4 and draw back for the 1, keeping an angle on the one so you can get close enough to the side rail to make the 7. You want a little angle on the 7. Shoot the 7 with a little follow to follow of the rail into the 13 nearly full. Shoot the 5 up in the far corner, and then the 8 in the side. Game over. Tough out, but doable, and only had to bump one ball.
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This is how I saw solids going..the 6/4 is were I think I'd
find my trouble..buy I like that route.
 
Houstoer said:
I just want to say thank you for posting this stuff. I'm lovin it ! I'm mainly an 8 ball player and this type of stuff is EXACTLY why I tune into AZ. To develop my game. Its great reading different people's reaction to how they would do it. I even line the stuff up at home and try a couple different patterns to see if I could do it. Greenies your way sir !!
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Thanks! And I also send the greenies back to anyone giving them :thumbup:
 
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