Which would you prefer? Just curious, wanted to do a survey.
8-ball, Call Shot, or Slop???
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I voted for call ball and pocket, because slop is totally out, and I am glad you did not offer call shot, (which I take to mean calling a slight wobble would mean having to call multiple rails, or calling a ball off another ball if it is sitting near the hole), which is too nitty.
Pockets are meant to be cheated and position of whitey is oftentimes more important than calling whether it is going in off a ball or not. With the ball sitting there, you know you have a big pocket, and you concentrate on your shape. I hate having to make sure I don't touch the other ball with my object ball going in...then you lose focus on your shape.
Many beginners will say, well that is real pool, calling every exact maneuver, and I say, hogwash. We have one tournament director up here that adheres to those rules and they are just goofy!
My choice is just straight call pocket, no matter how it gets there.
Pockets are meant to be cheated and position of whitey is oftentimes more important than calling whether it is going in off a ball or not. With the ball sitting there, you know you have a big pocket, and you concentrate on your shape. I hate having to make sure I don't touch the other ball with my object ball going in...then you lose focus on your shape.
Many beginners will say, well that is real pool, calling every exact maneuver, and I say, hogwash. We have one tournament director up here that adheres to those rules and they are just goofy!
My choice is just straight call pocket, no matter how it gets there.
9BallPaul
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Slop, and here's why
Because no one wants to play real call shot -- which means call your ball, call your pocket -- and that's all (as described by rackmsuckr). Especially in a bar situation, I don't want any arguments about "calling" a rail shot just because the object ball brushed the long rail on its way to the pocket. Or other similar nits. Call your ball, call your pocket, and that's it. But too many people won't play that way, so I say slop.
I'd much prefer to avoid the arguments and let the luck factor even out over time. Plus, on a bar table, you can't get the slopped balls back anyway.
9BP
Because no one wants to play real call shot -- which means call your ball, call your pocket -- and that's all (as described by rackmsuckr). Especially in a bar situation, I don't want any arguments about "calling" a rail shot just because the object ball brushed the long rail on its way to the pocket. Or other similar nits. Call your ball, call your pocket, and that's it. But too many people won't play that way, so I say slop.
I'd much prefer to avoid the arguments and let the luck factor even out over time. Plus, on a bar table, you can't get the slopped balls back anyway.
9BP
Bar Box=Slop
9ft= Call
8ft=?
All pool rules are set up to either make the better players win or to make it more appealing to the masses. That's what seperates the weekend hobbyists from the pros. We can have it both ways.
9ft= Call
8ft=?
All pool rules are set up to either make the better players win or to make it more appealing to the masses. That's what seperates the weekend hobbyists from the pros. We can have it both ways.
The question asks "which do you prefer?". I prefer call the ball and pocket in the manner Linda described. I do however, believe there should be a league for beginners that allows for slop (i.e. APA) or else a newbie wouldn't stand much of a chance if they had to call all their shots.
Maniac
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i think you should call your pocket but i always forget to anyways
If you play 8 ball for money and want to hide your speed---Slop is the only way to go.
I think you mean ball and pocket is the only way to go. Slop is the way the APA does it. Hit your ball first and any of your balls go in any pocket you keep shooting. That is Slop. The only way to gamble is Ball and pocket ball in hand.Tennesseejoe said:
rackmsuckr said:
I agree 100%, Linda.
Call the pocket is all that's needed. It's not slop if a ball touches another ball or as described touches the rail on it's way in. Sure there's some luck in this game but pileing on rules only shifts the luck on that particular shot. In the long run the better player will win.
Why should I have to deal with rules that make the game harder than the pros have to deal with in World Championships.
Lets play 8 Ball call everything with no kisses, no uncalled rails and last pocket. Why not last pocket bank. That should even it up for most.
Kinda like in grade school these days everybody wins even if they loose.
OOPs forgot nobody gets to loose, it' not fair.
Why should I have to deal with rules that make the game harder than the pros have to deal with in World Championships.
Lets play 8 Ball call everything with no kisses, no uncalled rails and last pocket. Why not last pocket bank. That should even it up for most.
Kinda like in grade school these days everybody wins even if they loose.
OOPs forgot nobody gets to loose, it' not fair.
your exactly rightrackmsuckr said:
I played in a bar tourney that was call shot. After losing the finals for calling the 8 ball clean and grazing the long rail, I called the TD over and tried to dicuss it. No luck.
Finally, to get my point across, I set up a couple of shots that required multiple kisses and a rail in a close area. I told him I would call the pocket but he would have to tell me after the shot how it went in.
Of course, I hit them 900 mph and he couldn't tell me what happened. I suggested how much easier it would be to go to call pocket.
The next week, call pocket with the only old rule that the 8 ball had to go in clean, no kisses.
Finally, to get my point across, I set up a couple of shots that required multiple kisses and a rail in a close area. I told him I would call the pocket but he would have to tell me after the shot how it went in.
Of course, I hit them 900 mph and he couldn't tell me what happened. I suggested how much easier it would be to go to call pocket.
The next week, call pocket with the only old rule that the 8 ball had to go in clean, no kisses.
Call your Shot/pocket!!!!!
And I dont mean call the rail and off a ball and if it rattles in the pocket.
I've played 8ball this way many times and it evens out the playing field alot! But also brings out the game in everyone, because there is no laying low when playing it this way.
And I dont mean call the rail and off a ball and if it rattles in the pocket.
I've played 8ball this way many times and it evens out the playing field alot! But also brings out the game in everyone, because there is no laying low when playing it this way.
I've played 8-ball calling EVERY carom and EVERY glance off the rail. It's a lot of fun when you have great eyesight and good planning, and usually those little errors like a slight kiss or brush off a rail don't even happen if you have the skill. If that were an option I would vote for it.
Otherwise call the ball and pocket would be my choice.
Otherwise call the ball and pocket would be my choice.
I prefer calling ball and pocket, and I like to play it with BIH rules. I'm not willing to call every kiss and carom, and resent being told I have to make a ball clean or else call the carom. If I tell you I'm putting the 3 in the side it shouldn't matter how it gets there as long as I make a legal hit.
I also don't need a running commentary for the obvious shots. I can see you're lining up to put it in the corner, so unless you're banking or kicking, or comboing a shot I don't need to hear about it. I am after all paying attention to the game
McCue Banger McCue
I also don't need a running commentary for the obvious shots. I can see you're lining up to put it in the corner, so unless you're banking or kicking, or comboing a shot I don't need to hear about it. I am after all paying attention to the game
McCue Banger McCue
Here's a shot that almost got me in a fist fight in a tavern. I nicked the 1 ball putting the 2 in and of course touched rails too.
It's my argument that by touching the 1 it reduced my chances of pocketing the ball. The kiss didn't help at all!! Yes it was lucky the ball dropped but was it slop? I'll say it was sloppy since I should have done a better job and by having the kiss it actually reduced my chance of running out since I pushed the 1 over to the 8.
So my opponent was lucky I kissed and I was unlucky by the bar rule. Instead of me being lucky it still dropped and he unlucky. It's just silly IMO.
It's my argument that by touching the 1 it reduced my chances of pocketing the ball. The kiss didn't help at all!! Yes it was lucky the ball dropped but was it slop? I'll say it was sloppy since I should have done a better job and by having the kiss it actually reduced my chance of running out since I pushed the 1 over to the 8.
So my opponent was lucky I kissed and I was unlucky by the bar rule. Instead of me being lucky it still dropped and he unlucky. It's just silly IMO.
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Call ball & pocket (VNEA, APA, and BCA) rules are designed to eliminate arguments over the game. When you complete a shot, either the ball is pocketed or it is still on the table, so conflict is eliminated.
I think this happens to be the proper way to play.
AND... I think any rules requiring the pocketing of the 8 to be "clean" are a complete joke. If I call the 8 and it goes in the pocket I indicated with a legal hit and no scratch, I win. Period. It doesn't matter if I shot a kick jump carom 5 rails crosseyed. By including the 8 in the "ball & pocket" rule, conflicts are eliminated.
Be a good ambassador of billiards and gently educate people in the bars... one rule at a time, please! Explain how the correct rules, including ball in hand, benefit them.
Beginning players should learn to play without slop, so I do not support a slop league for any venue other than Grandpa's retirement home.
Other than that, hike up your damn panties and let's play the game the right way!!
I think this happens to be the proper way to play.
AND... I think any rules requiring the pocketing of the 8 to be "clean" are a complete joke. If I call the 8 and it goes in the pocket I indicated with a legal hit and no scratch, I win. Period. It doesn't matter if I shot a kick jump carom 5 rails crosseyed. By including the 8 in the "ball & pocket" rule, conflicts are eliminated.
Be a good ambassador of billiards and gently educate people in the bars... one rule at a time, please! Explain how the correct rules, including ball in hand, benefit them.
Beginning players should learn to play without slop, so I do not support a slop league for any venue other than Grandpa's retirement home.
Other than that, hike up your damn panties and let's play the game the right way!!