8 Ball New Rule?

TWOFORPOOL

TWOFORPOOL

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How about adding a rule in 8 Ball?

If you make a ball on the break your opponent decides which balls are yours? If you don't make a ball on the break your opponent can take what he wants.

This would take a little away from the break advantage.
 
How about if you make a ball on the break, you have to shoot the lowest numbered ball. Say if you make the 6, you have to shoot the 1 first, or for stripes, you have to play the 15 first! Or you can push. You would have more push outs for sure!
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
How about adding a rule in 8 Ball?

If you make a ball on the break your opponent decides which balls are yours? If you don't make a ball on the break your opponent can take what he wants.

This would take a little away from the break advantage.
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The idea doesn't do much for me. Just playing alternate break resolves any break advantage. Besides, there are two distinct and separate "advantages" to the beak. One is keeping the table if you make a ball. That won't change anyway. So what's left is the advantage of choosing groups and you're just arbitrarily taking that from the breaker and giving it to the opponent.

Under the already existing rules, if the breaker doesn't make a ball then the opponent already gets both the table and the choice of groups. So your proposal seems to penalize the breaker for a successful break because if he does make a ball his opponent gets the group choice, which arguably often is more of an advantage for the opponent than keeping the table is for the breaker. This would include the ability to choose the group with one or more fewer balls on the table because of the successful break.
 
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DogsPlayingPool said:
The idea doesn't do much for me. Just playing alternate break resolves any break advantage. Besides, there are two distinct and separate "advantages" to the beak. One is keeping the table if you make a ball. That won't change anyway. So what's left is the advantage of choosing groups and you're just arbitrarily taking that from the breaker and giving it to the opponent.

Under the already existing rules, if the breaker doesn't make a ball then the opponent already gets both the table and the choice of groups. So your proposal seems to penalize the breaker for a successful break because if he does make a ball his opponent gets the group choice, which arguably often is more of an advantage for the opponent than keeping the table is for the breaker. This would include the ability to choose the group with one or more fewer balls on the table because of the successful break.
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I have to admit you have made some good arguments in this post!!
 
I've got a great idea. How about if you make a ball on the break you have to shoot at that set only. If you only make a solid that you have to shoot at a solid.

This should make the game even and a little more difficult for run outs and forcing you to use more strategy and eight ball skills that are disappearing from this game lately in order to make run outs much easier.
 
Personally, I don't like the rule change...doesn't do much to improve the game...makes it harder to ERO and seems to punish the breaker too much.

If you're going to give the nonbreaker the choice on a sucessful break, then you should give the breaker the same opportunity to chose the suit if he fails to make a ball...that would be more fair in your rule change...but I still don't like it.

If you truely want to take away the break advantage, make it call break. Then all games would be equal...safety breaks and everybody would have to think about the table for break outs. You will have accomplished something if you win that game.

Of course, the length of the game would double so you better plan on spending more time playing (or sitting) a few games.

L8R...Ken
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
How about adding a rule in 8 Ball?

If you make a ball on the break your opponent decides which balls are yours? If you don't make a ball on the break your opponent can take what he wants.

This would take a little away from the break advantage.
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Because... every player on AZ break and runs 8-ball at will?

Freddie <~~~ not clear on why
 
dabarbr said:
I've got a great idea. How about if you make a ball on the break you have to shoot at that set only. If you only make a solid that you have to shoot at a solid.

This should make the game even and a little more difficult for run outs and forcing you to use more strategy and eight ball skills that are disappearing from this game lately in order to make run outs much easier.
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Take what you make! I'm ok with this. That's the way we played a long time ago. How you been dabarbr!
 
Declare your group before you break. Call say low ball break and if you are hooked to bad you are low if you don't make one and you opponent is hooked he can push out.


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PETROBOY said:
Declare your group before you break. Call say low ball break and if you are hooked to bad you are low if you don't make one and you opponent is hooked he can push out.


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That actually sounds like fun!
 
Bah Hum Bug

Here's my take...

1) Winner breaks, loser racks.

2) If breaker makes a ball the table is open.

3) If breaker makes a ball he can give the table to his opponent, like after a push, if he desires.

4) All shots must be called.

5) Fail to hit the 8, make the eight in an uncalled pocket, or scratch and you lose.

6) All matches must be a race to at least 25 games.

Alternating breaks should be banned in any pool game played anywhere. This has to be the most boring thinking that has ever invaded the world of pool.

Big packages are exciting ... A player getting out of his chair down 2-7 and putting together a nice package is exciting ... Now let's play some real pool, and enjoy the drama :thumbup:
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
How about adding a rule in 8 Ball?

If you make a ball on the break your opponent decides which balls are yours? If you don't make a ball on the break your opponent can take what he wants.

This would take a little away from the break advantage.
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ya, i'm not a fan of that idea
 
Agent 99 said:
Here's my take...

1) Winner breaks, loser racks.

2) If breaker makes a ball the table is open.

3) If breaker makes a ball he can give the table to his opponent, like after a push, if he desires.

4) All shots must be called.

5) Fail to hit the 8, make the eight in an uncalled pocket, or scratch and you lose.

6) All matches must be a race to at least 25 games.

Alternating breaks should be banned in any pool game played anywhere. This has to be the most boring thinking that has ever invaded the world of pool.

Big packages are exciting ... A player getting out of his chair down 2-7 and putting together a nice package is exciting ... Now let's play some real pool, and enjoy the drama :thumbup:
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everything this says except the race to 25.. race to 11 must win by 2 games
 
How about you decide before the match which groups you and your opponent will shoot and then you have to be that group through the entire match?
 
dabarbr said:
I've got a great idea. How about if you make a ball on the break you have to shoot at that set only. If you only make a solid that you have to shoot at a solid.

This should make the game even and a little more difficult for run outs and forcing you to use more strategy and eight ball skills that are disappearing from this game lately in order to make run outs much easier.
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Frank, I'm willing to play any way that makes it harder for you to run out. :grin-square:

Personally, I like the strategy and thought process behind analyzing the table and choosing the proper group. Of course, I'm not talking US Bar Table Championships where 8 Ball is more of a run out game like 9 Ball, but rather the run of the mill league night. :thumbup:
 
Why would you want to penalize the breaker...he's only there because he won. Assuming...the break is the exciting advantage you work for...and even if your playing loser breaks...then he really needs the advantage on the break..the break is the most important shot of the game, yet Nobody practices it. What's the sense in working on your break if it gets you no advantage when you get to use it?

This would be like saying...when you run down to the 8 ball, your opponent gets to flip a coin to see if you get to shoot at it or not. ???

Risk and reward...I think a great break should be rewarded with a break and run IF they've got the technology to do it. I'd put my money on the ghost any day on a 9' diamond.

Glad u are thinking of innovation though, I guess I'm old fashioned...
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
Take what you make! I'm ok with this. That's the way we played a long time ago. How you been dabarbr!
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I've been just find and getting ready to play the Swanee this weekend. Joey A sent me some info to help me with a hip problem that I've had for a few years and it seems to be helping. I just hope I can win a few matches and get into the cash. Good to hear from you.
 
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