8 Ball,Your Solids......

Shoot the 3 softly and follow with the CB leaving it behind the 8 so there is no shot on the 9. Then the only shot would be a tough 10-11 combo, so you would probably get another chance.
 
Bigtruck said:
What would you suggest to win this game?

Thanks for your input!

Ray.

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The best way to assure victory here is to take the butt-end of your cue and whack your opponent with it.


I'm sorry but you're stuck here. You pretty much have to go for the combination. You can try to put your opponent on the foot-rail near the lower-left corner pocket but you're leaving him a fairly routine bank-shot. Your chances of winning are slim so ANYTHING you do should be relevant to who you're playing. If your opponent is any good, you have to go for the combination. If he stinks, you gamble on him missing and leave him long.
 
jingle said:
Shoot the 3 softly and follow with the CB leaving it behind the 8 so there is no shot on the 9. Then the only shot would be a tough 10-11 combo, so you would probably get another chance.
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I like that one, too. The cut in the side still exists on the 10-ball. In theory, they can still get out and even if they can't, you still have that 7-ball on the rail to contend with which means your opponent can count on another turn at the table. You pretty-much HAVE TO move it on this inning and take your chances. Otherwise, you're giving your opponent a free shot at the combination and likely losing this game anyway.
 
Hitting the 3 with enough follow to leave the 8-ball between the CB and the 9 is the best option I see. It's also a much better shot if the 3 clips the 7 on its way by, moving the 7 away from the rail and side pocket. If you leave the 7 where it is, you're just not going to be the favorite in this rack. If you can leave him stuck to the 8 so there's not shot on the 9 or 10, then you become a big favorite, but it would take a very very deft touch to accomplish that.

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
Hitting the 3 with enough follow to leave the 8-ball between the CB and the 9 is the best option I see. It's also a much better shot if the 3 clips the 7 on its way by, moving the 7 away from the rail and side pocket. If you leave the 7 where it is, you're just not going to be the favorite in this rack. If you can leave him stuck to the 8 so there's not shot on the 9 or 10, then you become a big favorite, but it would take a very very deft touch to accomplish that.

-Andrew
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I dunno. You're clustering your balls and leaving an obvious safety. That 8-ball will serve as a great blocker when I skim the 9-ball and leave you stuck to the foot-rail.

If I respect my opponent, I'm going for the combination.
 
Knock the 3 where it hits on the left side of the 7 before hitting the rail, and kicks the 7 out just a couple of feet....speed is important as you want the cueball to be just to the left of the 8....gameplan is to boot the 7 into a better position on the table, have the 3 kick off the 7 (I don't think it'll go in the side at that speed), then the rail, sitting a few inches off the rail and in a better position for the corner...

Your opponent has to make the 9 directly over the 8 as it's the only shot, limiting english options and making it a tougher shot....

EDIT: The idiot in me wants to try to hit the same shot, harder, to see if I can kick the 3 off the 7 and make it in the side, with the 7 releasing for a better shot, but then the cue is exposed
 
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I think I'd play the 3-7 combo. Looks like about a 40% chance for a good potter. I'd play it with topspin so that the CB would bump into the 8-ball and knock it out for an easier pot, and hold for a good shot on the 3-ball, so that if I make the combo, I'd almost certainly have an easy clearance.

Also, the CB, would stop in a position that makes the opponent have to take on the combo or a slightly tricky out via a straight 9-ball. He might make it 80% if he plays decent.

So this position is close to 50-50 if your potting is good enough to make a decent attempt at the initial combo.

Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
I think I'd play the 3-7 combo. Looks like about a 40% chance for a good potter. I'd play it with topspin so that the CB would bump into the 8-ball and knock it out for an easier pot, and hold for a good shot on the 3-ball, so that if I make the combo, I'd almost certainly have an easy clearance.

Also, the CB, would stop in a position that makes the opponent have to take on the combo or a slightly tricky out via a straight 9-ball. He might make it 80% if he plays decent.

So this position is close to 50-50 if your potting is good enough to make a decent attempt at the initial combo.

Colin
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I like the combination, too but I wouldn't put it at 40%. Even for the greatest players, it's gotta be no more than 10%.

No matter, unless something dramatic happens (like making this combination), you're losing. You pretty much have to move these balls around and hope for the best. The combination is as good a shot as any to accomplish this.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I like the combination, too but I wouldn't put it at 40%. Even for the greatest players, it's gotta be no more than 10%.

No matter, unless something dramatic happens (like making this combination), you're losing. You pretty much have to move these balls around and hope for the best. The combination is as good a shot as any to accomplish this.
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Tough spot.

I'm no great shot, but I figured that combo would be a low percentage shot, even for the best of 'em.

If the seven is a bit closer to the side pocket, (I realize this is not an exact layout of the table) you could have caromed the three off the seven and potted the three in the side.
 
I might try hitting the 3 very slowly using extreme right english cutting the 3 up the rail in front of the side hooking my opponent on the 9 and leaving him a jacked-up combo that he/she now has to make.
 
Off topic:

Wei, will you be making a 3c table? Just curious, because we talked about diagraming my shots. Lemme know something. See you soon.

-yow!
 
The way I see it.

The 3 is slightly closer to the side rail than the 7. The 7 is exactly even with the far point of the pocket. Trying to pocket the 3 in the side off the 7 will not work. At best, the 3 will hit the point and stay there.

Trying to get the cue ball behind the 8 is not as easy as some people seem to indicate, because you have to watch the angle you hit the 3 ball. You do not want to move one of his stripes therefore not leaving a combo, but a clear shot for the out.

Here is what I would do:

1) I would shoot the 3 ball 3 rails to come down where the 9 is, but I would shoot it a little long so that the 3 might hit the 9 off of the 3rd rail so as to tie up the corner pocket making it much harder for the opponent to get out.

I also would draw the cue ball on the shot back to the foot end rail where it would not be an easy back bank to the other corner just in case the 3 missed the 9. Leaving the cue ball on the foot end rail also leaves a real hard shot up table on either ball there.

This way I have played defense on all 3 balls of his, and the 3 maybe hitting the 9 ups my chances for controlling the table from there on out.
 
Snapshot9 said:
The 3 is slightly closer to the side rail than the 7. The 7 is exactly even with the far point of the pocket. Trying to pocket the 3 in the side off the 7 will not work. At best, the 3 will hit the point and stay there.

Trying to get the cue ball behind the 8 is not as easy as some people seem to indicate, because you have to watch the angle you hit the 3 ball. You do not want to move one of his stripes therefore not leaving a combo, but a clear shot for the out.

Here is what I would do:

1) I would shoot the 3 ball 3 rails to come down where the 9 is, but I would shoot it a little long so that the 3 might hit the 9 off of the 3rd rail so as to tie up the corner pocket making it much harder for the opponent to get out.

I also would draw the cue ball on the shot back to the foot end rail where it would not be an easy back bank to the other corner just in case the 3 missed the 9. Leaving the cue ball on the foot end rail also leaves a real hard shot up table on either ball there.

This way I have played defense on all 3 balls of his, and the 3 maybe hitting the 9 ups my chances for controlling the table from there on out.
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I thought about this one, too. The response safety will require little thought since your opponent can be rest assured you will not pocket that 7-ball at its current position.

I mean, ANY safety is a stall. He's going to be able to safe you back, no matter what you do so you might as well put your balls in the best position you can which means getting the 7 moving.

You leave that 7-ball there and he can afford to make a mistake. Move the 7-ball and a mistake will cost him the game.
 
It looks like the ten has the eleven blocked, so all you have to do is get the cue ball on the far side of the eight so that the eight blocks a shot at the nine. Shoot the three softly, slightly to the left of a full hit, with enough right english to take it beyond the 8 ball off the rail. Your opponent still has a shot at a bank or combo, but if he's going to win from here he'll have to earn it.

I purposely didn't read the other suggestions before posting, so, if my response is similar to someone elses, it's because we belong in the same remedial reading group.
 
I see four options and it would take me quite a bit of time to weigh them out in my head before atempting any shot. In all cases, I think its necessary to use the 3 to move the 7 off that point...and maybe get a roll off either ball to minimize my opponents options.

Option#1:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3Cagb2Gafd3...WOKk1WToi2bafd2bbEk2bRKP3kYKK3kYym3kbFa3kTrm@

Follow through the 3 behind the 8 to leave no shot on the 9, while forcing my opponent to go for the 10-11 combo. My best case scenario would be to drive the 3 in front of the 11 and the 7 in the area of the other corner to block the cut on the 10.

Option#2:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3Cagb2Gafd3...HVoY3Iacq2JHDj1KKpW3PWNp3dacq3dakp3kWNp3kbJb@

Draw behind the 8 to leave nothing but a jacked-up, straight in on the 9. Again, my best case scenario would be to drive the 3 near the 11 and the 7 in the area of the other corner to block the cut on the 10. If I don't get the 3 & 7 free of the 8, then my opponent may have an easy return safety of rolling up on the 9 and forcing me to kick while being jacked-up on the 9 (page 2).

Option#3:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3Cagb2Gafe3...WYQP1WDmh2bafe2bbUt1bAvg1bItk3kYKK3kYqn3kThi@

Draw to the end rail near the 9. Here I am trying to drive the 3 at the 10 and the 7 at the 11 to rearrange the furniture. I just might get the CB frozen and leave no easy shot on the 10 or 11. The down side would be an easy return safe behind the 9 from my opponent. This is probably the shot I would attempt.

Option#4:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3Cagb2Gafd3HVoY3Iacq2JHDj1KKpW3PYKK3Wagb2WafM2bafd2bath3kYKK3kaPn3kawo4kBte@

Going for the 3-7 combo is very low percentage for me, so I would pull the CB to the end rail even though that would further reduce my chances of making the shot. Assuming I make the 7, I probably won't get much of a shot at the 3. If I miss the 7, I'll probably leave tough shots for my opponent.
 
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psykoyow said:
Off topic:

Wei, will you be making a 3c table? Just curious, because we talked about diagraming my shots. Lemme know something. See you soon.

-yow!
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Hi Eric:

There is a 3cCueTable at http://cuetable.com/C/

It function pretty much the same as the regular CueTable, except it has three different kinds of grids. Mr. Massey was able to learn the software and drew 8 shots by himself last night.

You guys are doing great to promote the sport at large and I will be happy to make a special Artistic Billiard Competition grid especially just for you guys.

Other interesting tidbits done with 3cCueTable:

My favorite 3C layout from my buddy:
http://pl.cuetable.com/showthread.php?t=221

Project La Fortune:
http://cuetable.com/LaFortune/index.html

A new forum created for 3C billiard lovers to post shot question. Mr. Michael Kang (Many times USBA second place) will answer up to 5 3C layouts every week in helping billiard education, Mr. Mazin Shooni will be helping when he has time:
http://pl.cuetable.com/forumdisplay.php?f=73

76 Shots from Weingartner Billiard Program. These shots can be viewed as fun puzzles:
http://pl.cuetable.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72
 
jingle said:
Shoot the 3 softly and follow with the CB leaving it behind the 8 so there is no shot on the 9. Then the only shot would be a tough 10-11 combo, so you would probably get another chance.
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This is this the option I would go with. I'd also try to play the speed to leave the 3 between the 11 and its closest corner pocket.

IMO, it looks like the 7 may be cuttable right into the side if you have good position on it when the time comes. Depending where the CB ends up when its time to play the 7, it also looks like it can also be banked in the opposite side, but I'd rather not have to do that.

Good thread! I really enjoy ones like this.
 
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