corvette1340 said:$1000 cues? Does anyone even play with anything that cheap anymore?
I do. I play with a 800.00 dollar stick, but i'm thinking of down grading to something cheaper.
8 players at Grady's event??
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I do. I play with a 800.00 dollar stick, but i'm thinking of down grading to something cheaper.
"Im Done Here"
No Grady unfortunately most of us are Done With You. Ive tried to support you and give you the kind of recognition you think you deserve. I have all your tapes and books. But your destructive attitude and your constant personal attacks just turn people away from the whole business aspect of pool. I just have no interest in you and your aspirations anymore.
One lesson I learned early from a close and dear friend. The World does not revolve around you. You are just one of its participants. Make the most of it while you are here.
Im not going to defend anyone here. Whatever Shannon or Mike J have to do to run a season of tournaments I understand its difficulties and Herculean in terms of its requirements. Sure they are going to make mistakes. Sure they are going to have to cut some throats. Did you not watch The Godfather Its business, nothing personal. Thats what we all do if we want to turn a profit. You dont get a dime because of all the trophies on your mantle.
Joe Louis on his way out had to take a job at Ceasars to feed his family. Sorry you arent any different. Perhaps because of your past history you need not qualify for entry. But you still got to "qualify" to us, the pool fan base, if you want our support. You got to respect us. Our expectations. If you dont think you need to then dont be surprised if we are indifferent.
No Grady unfortunately most of us are Done With You. Ive tried to support you and give you the kind of recognition you think you deserve. I have all your tapes and books. But your destructive attitude and your constant personal attacks just turn people away from the whole business aspect of pool. I just have no interest in you and your aspirations anymore.
One lesson I learned early from a close and dear friend. The World does not revolve around you. You are just one of its participants. Make the most of it while you are here.
Im not going to defend anyone here. Whatever Shannon or Mike J have to do to run a season of tournaments I understand its difficulties and Herculean in terms of its requirements. Sure they are going to make mistakes. Sure they are going to have to cut some throats. Did you not watch The Godfather Its business, nothing personal. Thats what we all do if we want to turn a profit. You dont get a dime because of all the trophies on your mantle.
Joe Louis on his way out had to take a job at Ceasars to feed his family. Sorry you arent any different. Perhaps because of your past history you need not qualify for entry. But you still got to "qualify" to us, the pool fan base, if you want our support. You got to respect us. Our expectations. If you dont think you need to then dont be surprised if we are indifferent.
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yobagua said:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with yobagua and the majority of the posters in this thread.
These constant personal attacts (especially someone a well respected as MJ) are rediculas. MJ has ran a very successful tour for 15 or 20 years. I don't believe he intentionally tried to hurt your turn out one bit, but why in hell should he roll over to satisfy you? It is his livelyhood and it is a free market. He as well as everyone else is tring to feed his family.
You have years of playing and contacts in the business and you can't even field a baseball team? Maybe you should look inside instead of blaming someone else for your failure.
I couldn't believe it when you made the comment a couple months ago that you would "refuse" to pay to goto the billiard expo. If you truely loved this sport, you would put your personal issues aside and do what is best for the sport. Yes, that mean attending an event like the billiard expo even if it cost you $20. You have a duty to be an ambassitor to the sport whether you like it or not.
You have held a certain respect for the pool world with your history, but with further comments and attacts that will soon end.
I imagine if I am ever in SC and I see your pool hall, my break lights won't even turn pink.
Grady, you would do well to take a course in diplomacy.
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I have to agree also
I have not chimed in on all past posts about Mr. Matthews, but I can't understand why he can't see that he is being negative and coming across as bitter in most of his posting for I don't know how long.......I do respect his accomplishments and past deeds in support of the game, but sadly he has been very un-professor like for some time now......
jason said:
I have not chimed in on all past posts about Mr. Matthews, but I can't understand why he can't see that he is being negative and coming across as bitter in most of his posting for I don't know how long.......I do respect his accomplishments and past deeds in support of the game, but sadly he has been very un-professor like for some time now......
wahcheck said:
As well have I respected his accomplishments and knowledge as a player and his other contrabutions, but enough is enough. I think he has underestimated the respect that MJ has earned on this forum and the pool world.
In my opinion, some of the older "legend" players in our sport have lead us to where we are today. If there was any leadership, organization from the past, pool could be in whole lot better situation than today. They had an opportunity and failed to deliver. At least CW tried to organize the player into a union (even though not so sucessfully).
Pool has not hit bottom yet, at least pro pool that is. And until the current pros realize that their income will be from the support of league players, they will continue to fail.
Based on the information that MJ let us in on, I think that Grady owes him a huge apology in this thread. When I read what MJ had to say I could feel his pain and sorrow. It is wrong for someone to make another feel like that for any reason. Oh! let me add IMO, I wouldn't want to piss anyone off or anything. Just make it right, Grady. Show Mike that you are the man he thinks or in this case thought you were. You are flat wrong here, man up!
Dwight
Dwight
There are factory made mass produced cues on the market that sell for $175.00 that are pretty darn good.
Dave Nelson
Dave Nelson
jason said:
In his defense, I don't think it fair to blame Grady or his era for the shape of things in the pool world today. Each generation in life has it's mess to clean up and often many who try very hard to do that go unrecognized and often feel left behind.
I've never met anyone I agreed with 100% of the time and Grady is no exception, but, the man has worked his ass off to improve the game and simply earn a living at something he loves to do.
Moe often than not, there are regrets with all decisions in life and I'm sure Grady has his, but I suspect he regrets what he did far mor than what he didn't do.
I do agree though that there is entirely too much backstabbing and public name calling going on around here. Too many are trying to place ownership on something supported by independents. Independents are the toughest groups of all to organize. It's an open market and I haven't witnessed anyone in many years strong enough or stable enough to take control of it and run it.
So, we are forced to share, like it or not. JMHO!!
Tap,tap,tap !
Well said Ironman. Pool will never be the well oganized entity that other sports have become. It is sad to see all the negativity that goes on, on this forum. Pool has been cleaned up somewhat, from our day's, but the human element of greed, jealousy, and egotism still seem to overtake even those with the best of intentions. We can only hope it will get better.
Dick
ironman said:
Well said Ironman. Pool will never be the well oganized entity that other sports have become. It is sad to see all the negativity that goes on, on this forum. Pool has been cleaned up somewhat, from our day's, but the human element of greed, jealousy, and egotism still seem to overtake even those with the best of intentions. We can only hope it will get better.
Dick
Here we go again?
Someone marketing their product develops friendships,someone disagrees and the flogging begins.I have met grady at various pool venues and he has always been nice to me. Whether you like his style of personality or not he says what he has to say to your face. Grady has promoted some pool events that expose people to this art which he had to know would be of little or no financial gain. If it wasn't for Grady I would have never been able to see a straight pool game of champions like John Schmidt, Danny Barouty and Fabio Patroni. This post started with a post that the information asked could have been easily found on this site. I think this was a poke at him for the small turnout and to get a reaction and it worked. I met Mike at a couple of viking events and he was nice also. Without mike I would not have the chance to participate in amateur events ran like pro events. I think the main forum used as a marketing tool causes problems and should be regulated to the proper section. Remember the cuemaker! This is just an opinion and attacks are anticipated on AZbilliards main forum.
Someone marketing their product develops friendships,someone disagrees and the flogging begins.I have met grady at various pool venues and he has always been nice to me. Whether you like his style of personality or not he says what he has to say to your face. Grady has promoted some pool events that expose people to this art which he had to know would be of little or no financial gain. If it wasn't for Grady I would have never been able to see a straight pool game of champions like John Schmidt, Danny Barouty and Fabio Patroni. This post started with a post that the information asked could have been easily found on this site. I think this was a poke at him for the small turnout and to get a reaction and it worked. I met Mike at a couple of viking events and he was nice also. Without mike I would not have the chance to participate in amateur events ran like pro events. I think the main forum used as a marketing tool causes problems and should be regulated to the proper section. Remember the cuemaker! This is just an opinion and attacks are anticipated on AZbilliards main forum.
yobagua said:
http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=22
Joe Lewis was bankrupted by the IRS for back taxes on money that he had donated to the war effort. The "income" tax is a fraud that was intended to tax corporate income, not wages of individuals. Temporary employment services do not pay taxes on hourly wages paid to them, only on net profits.
It's not fame from one person that draws crowds to a tournament but also the everyday attitude the person has with everybody around him(her). The Professor is just getting paid what he asked for. It is not enough to be a good player but you have to be a good person as well.
MikeJanis said:
Not exactly mano a mano...
Insulting fellow promoters in an internet forum post is not exactly what I would call "saying what he has to say to your face". It's more like yelling it out at the town square.
poke&hope said:
Insulting fellow promoters in an internet forum post is not exactly what I would call "saying what he has to say to your face". It's more like yelling it out at the town square.
ironman said:
It may have sounded like I was personally blaming Grady for the bad shape of pool today, but I wasn't.
I've been waiting and hoping for a long time in my life to see pool develop to something stable and respectable for the players. Grady's generation had the opportunity to build it, and they failed. My generation also has the opportunity now.
I hate seeing great talent, like George Breedlove, not play on a regular basis because the lack of money and organizational structure. How many others greats work for a living because it is the smarter thing to do? Plenty I'm sure.
What's going to be established in twenty years for the young players today, like Austin Murphy? Will he be traveling to a tournment 2000 miles away, sleeping in the car, eating baloney sandwiches, only to find out there isn't any tournament money to be paid out?
Austin is a great talent, but I would hate to see him waste his life trying to scrap a living from this game when he should probably invest his time and money into a real career like a doctor or lawyer or what ever he wants to do. I would suggest to any and every young player to have a backup plan. Never put all of your eggs in one basket. Especially the pool basket!
Angry old men who complain about everything are funny. I can sit and BS with them for hours 
its so easy to get them going off on a rant!
its so easy to get them going off on a rant!
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