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This is exactly my thoughts as it relates to the topic of discussion here.
The one question I have, going a bit deeper is;
Assuming a player, could be a current one or from the past, if we took that player and put him on the easiest possible equipment. The easiest combination of cloth, pockets, table size, best cue, shaft. The easiest of everything, which we really don’t have defined, but let’s say we figured that out.
How many balls could that player run as the absolute maximum?
Yes in theory he should play forever.
But since this is reality(in abstract sense) how many balls can someone run until they get a skid, bad break, funny roll, take their eye off the ball(happened today to Jayson)
What’s the maximum run possible by a person not challenged by equipment.
At some point human nature will happen and something will cause a miss.
Is it 2000? 1000? Right now after 80 years of effort it’s 832.
I think 1000 is possible for sure, 1250 seems like a huge number. That’s just my thought.
I’m not making a separate thread. But what’s your thought? And what’s the equipment look like?
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It’s like the guy who made 5000 free throws in a row. It takes someone with otherworldly concentration skills.
I can’t even walk 800 steps without stumbling.
But it’s just like how mosconi played the game on that kind of pocket
Filler is another guy with alien-like concentration and determination. Plus, he has crazy skills and youth on his side. It would take someone with all those attributes to break 1,000. Give Filler a week with big pockets and 760 cloth and I wouldn't bet against him. Recall he ran a 285 at the DCC on a conventional Diamond table.
yea and i agree stock GC's (but 9ft) should be the standard for high runs.
It possible I could eat 800 ice crème’s and be ok.
Other than that, 800 anything’s is way past my ability
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If you're running 50 racks who's shooting back?
I’m here for it.
Yes Jayson was done after the 280, which I totally understand. He’ll be back. Now that he’s crossed 700 twice some of the tension should be lower and I think he has the vast shot at getting to 1000 long before anyone. He’s capable, told me he’s gonna do it. I believe him. Bobby has been a great guy in Jayson’s corner/
And yes I believe Filler has a good shot at 1000 if he wore at it like Jayson has. But if it’s not important to him, it’s not gonna happen. Takes a very special player and that player must want it
I’m here for it all, I like watching the attempts, speaking for myself it’s about the only one man pool I can watch for extended periods of time. I think that applies to lots of rail birds/
Fun stuff for sure
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Especially a skid. Could a skid, funny roll due to cloth or miscue always be prevented? E.g. by always cleaning the cloth and balls in between racks... I doubt it.This is exactly my thoughts as it relates to the topic of discussion here.
The one question I have, going a bit deeper is;
Assuming a player, could be a current one or from the past, if we took that player and put him on the easiest possible equipment. The easiest combination of cloth, pockets, table size, best cue, shaft. The easiest of everything, which we really don’t have defined, but let’s say we figured that out.
How many balls could that player run as the absolute maximum?
Yes in theory he should play forever.
But since this is reality(in abstract sense) how many balls can someone run until they get a skid, bad break, funny roll, take their eye off the ball(happened today to Jayson)
What’s the maximum run possible by a person not challenged by equipment.
At some point human nature will happen and something will cause a miss.
Is it 2000? 1000? Right now after 80 years of effort it’s 832.
I think 1000 is possible for sure, 1250 seems like a huge number. That’s just my thought.
I’m not making a separate thread. But what’s your thought? And what’s the equipment look like?
Fatboy<——-has more questions than answers
Like an high run in anything some luck is needed. And the "chance of being so unlucky that kills the run" slowly increases with the number of shots (though it stays the same per individual shot, kind of).
Yes you are right/ I think a skid is what would end any marathon run most likely. They happen on every cloth, chalk, ball etc.
I was giving this a bit more thought and I think 1200-1250 is the maximum possible run in the real world. Something will happen, a funny kiss etc at some point no matter how good the player or equipment.
Even during the 832 Jayson got lucky a couple times-which you have to to get a run like that. I’m not sure the of the math but one lucky roll per 100-150 balls isn’t much, when 1 bad roll is end of run. (Jayson played so good, he wasn’t overly lucky) which makes his 832 that much more amazing.
He had BIH looking breaks all but a couple times and still he didn’t end on a bad or no break shot. He missed!
Idk the math, but what % of runs over 100 end on the break vs a miss?????
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Unless there is a near 6 figure $ incentive for him to reach it, I really don’t know why Filler or anyone else would put themselves through such a mentally and physically exhausting challenge.
Also, attempting this for an extended period on overly forgiving sized pockets may not be very conducive to preparing them for their pro tournaments that are played on 4” to 4-1/4” pockets.
Personally, I would be more interested in seeing what Shaw, Filler or anyone else could produce for a high run on a standard 4-1/2 inch pocket Diamond table.
For a player of Shaw’s caliber to be attempting this on such forgiving pocket specs is like a top touring pro golfer trying to set the all time one round low score course record on a 6000 yard wide open municipal golf course with super easy pin positions - it would mean very little.
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WTF. If there's some monster in the chair you don't think the quality of play might just be a tad different??????? Missing in these deals is no penalty. just start over. Lot of risky shots taken just because of that. Still stronger than cat piss but i'd never put these and real competition matches in the same category.If you're running 50 racks who's shooting back?
These numbers are mind blowing and it takes a special person to attempt these types of runs. I'm assuming Mosconi didn't set out to set a high run, it just happened.
My dream would be to have enough money to create a worldwide event for all players in every country to try this. Build twenty tables exactly the same, set up by the same mechanics around the world, on every continent. Have video cameras running constantly and give a prize for the highest run of $10,000,000. Follow the players progress that look they have a shot at it for a documentary, that could get our beloved game/sport back in the lime light. Run the event for 3 months out of each year, or something.
Maybe a graduated prize scale for balls over the current record pocketed and run the event for 5 years. At the end of the 5 years the highest gets the prize on top of dollars made for going above the record.
Who knows, maybe someone comes out of the woodwork and smashes the 832 or maybe not. But it would be cool to see hundreds of players attempt it, as opposed to 2.
My dream would be to have enough money to create a worldwide event for all players in every country to try this. Build twenty tables exactly the same, set up by the same mechanics around the world, on every continent. Have video cameras running constantly and give a prize for the highest run of $10,000,000. Follow the players progress that look they have a shot at it for a documentary, that could get our beloved game/sport back in the lime light. Run the event for 3 months out of each year, or something.
Maybe a graduated prize scale for balls over the current record pocketed and run the event for 5 years. At the end of the 5 years the highest gets the prize on top of dollars made for going above the record.
Who knows, maybe someone comes out of the woodwork and smashes the 832 or maybe not. But it would be cool to see hundreds of players attempt it, as opposed to 2.
I don't think there needs to be six figure incentive. These guys fly all over the country and play all week for 10K. I think a 10k incentive should be enough. Plus, all that stroking / practice can only help their game. The last time Shaw did the challenge, he steamrolled through the Turning Stone a few days later. All that high-pressure practice gotta put someone in dead punch. Besides, I'm thinking holding the world record must be worth something to sponsors.
I do agree about the smaller pocket size though. You can see Shaw isn't worried about pocketing. I'd like to see 14.1 with tighter pockets that would call for a tighter cue ball and good patterns. While impressive, these runs just look different than the old skool players who never left themselves on a rail or a blood test of a shot. Those players just put their opponents to sleep with their boring precision. Fun to watch as a spectator though!
he ran a similar number at the american 14.1, on diamonds, after running the set out on alex. then went on to run the set out on albin.
there are other great players of course, but i don't think this is at all possible unless the player is also fast. how long would it take kaci to run 832?
Or in thousandths of an inch, at 4.900" they are .400" thou bigger than a 4.500" pocket.the pocket size is more easily measured not in inches but in percentages of a foot, as in about half a foot wide
This was and always be an exhibition. All high run 14.1 attempts will forever be in this category. This was THE best in class high run, clearly (and again, the world ran out of kudos to bestow on Shaw for this amazing feat). However, some are left unsatisfied and rightly so. The cure for what ails the insatiable are 14.1 tournaments. If anyone wants to see who's the real true best in this discipline, then look no further than the next 14.1 tourney. However, due to lack of demand, this ain't on the menu. Which is fine actually. If fortune smiles favorably on Shaw's feat, and therefore on pool generally, and 14.1 specifically, then Predator or Matchroom or some well heeled organization will sniff out the newly created demand and give the masses their true heart's desire. To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub
Right so people can stop saying give filler a week
When he doesn’t care to try
Shaws been compensated
Bobby has said there’s a big prize for running a big number many times now it’s not a secret
Set up your diamond table the way you like
Call up Shaw and filler pay them and they will come, maybe