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Willie’s was the official one that had attestations and was accepted as the record for a long time. But Cranfield had claimed a run of 768 and those that knew him took him at his word even though it wasnt listed by any governing body. Also, Eufemia had an unofficial record of 625. If memory serves, Eufemias run had supplanted Willie’s for a short time before being retracted I think.
Eufemia's 625 run was a Guinness record I believe. The BCA looked at the documentation/situation and decided that it didn't meet whatever criteria there were at the time, and so the BCA never recognized it.
Meh!
Efren was one rack away from 150.
In his SECOND straight pool tournament.
He just missed the break.
If you think that's more impressive than 800+, I dunno.
iirc, stalev ran 224 in his first straight pool tournament. he had ran 100 something before
Yes, this is the debate between witnessed exhibition runs and practice runs generally believed to have occurred,
Mike Eufemia ran 625 in the early 1960s in an exhibition but, even by Mike's account, nobody other than Mike saw the run from beginning to end, so the record was not recognized. Babe Cranfield, who Irving Crane once suggested ran "more three hundreds than anyone in history" claimed a run of 709 and another of 768. Crane called Babe's claim of these runs "very believable" but they were practice runs, not witnessed exhibition runs, so they did not qualify for the record.
Schmidt 626 was recorded and had witnesses, so it was accepted, as was Shaw's 714 (later modified to 669) because it had been recorded.
the pocket size is more easily measured not in inches but in percentages of a foot, as in about half a foot wide
You've made some good points here. Mosconi played on slower cloth on tables that were worn and the quality of the rails and chalk was not as good. Skids were definitely a bigger problem back in the day. Of course, Willie played on an eight footer and on pockets even looser than those used by Schmidt and Shaw.
The comparison across eras is ultimately impossible, but Sigel has been quoted as saying that had Mosconi played on a loose table with Simonis cloth, he would have run 2,000. Of course, we will never know, but I've yet to meet a person that has suggested that any player since Mosconi managed the table and played position as well as he did.
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Go run 300 and get back to us.
8intheside
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I really hope the “pocket warriors“ don’t come out and try to diminish this great accomplishment.
What you say is true...all of it.
This is exactly my thoughts as it relates to the topic of discussion here.
The one question I have, going a bit deeper is;
Assuming a player, could be a current one or from the past, if we took that player and put him on the easiest possible equipment. The easiest combination of cloth, pockets, table size, best cue, shaft. The easiest of everything, which we really don’t have defined, but let’s say we figured that out.
How many balls could that player run as the absolute maximum?
Yes in theory he should play forever.
But since this is reality(in abstract sense) how many balls can someone run until they get a skid, bad break, funny roll, take their eye off the ball(happened today to Jayson)
What’s the maximum run possible by a person not challenged by equipment.
At some point human nature will happen and something will cause a miss.
Is it 2000? 1000? Right now after 80 years of effort it’s 832.
I think 1000 is possible for sure, 1250 seems like a huge number. That’s just my thought.
I’m not making a separate thread. But what’s your thought? And what’s the equipment look like?
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Running 800 plus is easy.....because I didn't have an opponent.
This place had gone to the dogs.
This an outstanding accomplishment and Shaw has reached spheres, where even other pros will see a mountain they are not willing to climb.
That said i still admire people, who can put a 50 or 60 together, without leaving an oppenent a chance should they miss.
I have a guy in my club, who is a well established medalist at European senior championships, who has such an elegant 14.1 game. Moving the cueball around the pack, just 2-3 open balls at a time, still managing to come up with nice break shots in the end.
That said i still admire people, who can put a 50 or 60 together, without leaving an oppenent a chance should they miss.
I have a guy in my club, who is a well established medalist at European senior championships, who has such an elegant 14.1 game. Moving the cueball around the pack, just 2-3 open balls at a time, still managing to come up with nice break shots in the end.
This is exactly my thoughts as it relates to the topic of discussion here.
The one question I have, going a bit deeper is;
Assuming a player, could be a current one or from the past, if we took that player and put him on the easiest possible equipment. The easiest combination of cloth, pockets, table size, best cue, shaft. The easiest of everything, which we really don’t have defined, but let’s say we figured that out.
How many balls could that player run as the absolute maximum?
Yes in theory he should play forever.
But since this is reality(in abstract sense) how many balls can someone run until they get a skid, bad break, funny roll, take their eye off the ball(happened today to Jayson)
What’s the maximum run possible by a person not challenged by equipment.
At some point human nature will happen and something will cause a miss.
Is it 2000? 1000? Right now after 80 years of effort it’s 832.
I think 1000 is possible for sure, 1250 seems like a huge number. That’s just my thought.
I’m not making a separate thread. But what’s your thought? And what’s the equipment look like?
Fatboy<——-has more questions than answers
1000 is possible and maybe jayson will get it at some point. i doubt anyone would bet he could get there in this session. too many things has to click, it's just low probability. he looked done after the 280 yesterday
i personally think filler is the best straight pool player in the world. jmho. but filler would have to change his break strategy to be able to achieve a serious high run. less boom-boom, as chamat would say. consistently getting high, fairly steep break shots hit with medium-hard pace seem to be the most important factor