860 or 860HR for Garage table

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Hello I'm putting a pool table in my garage that will fluctuate temps I guess from winter to summer. I have furnace set to 55 all winter and when in the garage will have fireplace going so temps will be in the 65-75* range. In spring and summer I don't have AC so probably humidity.

What I want to know is which will suit me better the 860 or 860hr? Also does one last longer than the other and show ball burns less? Our club uses 860HR and I will be buying new Aramith super tournament balls which burn cloth less.

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northshoremb said:
Hello I'm putting a pool table in my garage that will fluctuate temps I guess from winter to summer. I have furnace set to 55 all winter and when in the garage will have fireplace going so temps will be in the 65-75* range. In spring and summer I don't have AC so probably humidity.

What I want to know is which will suit me better the 860 or 860hr? Also does one last longer than the other and show ball burns less? Our club uses 860HR and I will be buying new Aramith super tournament balls which burn cloth less.

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Get the HR. High humid. will slow it down but it won't be as slow as reg. 860.
 
northshoremb said:
Hello I'm putting a pool table in my garage that will fluctuate temps I guess from winter to summer. I have furnace set to 55 all winter and when in the garage will have fireplace going so temps will be in the 65-75* range. In spring and summer I don't have AC so probably humidity.

What I want to know is which will suit me better the 860 or 860hr? Also does one last longer than the other and show ball burns less? Our club uses 860HR and I will be buying new Aramith super tournament balls which burn cloth less.

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I would use 860HR It runs quicker and I prefer the composition of the cloth.

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Patrick Johnson said:
I want quicker because I can do more on it.

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See, and I kind of feel the opposite. By "do more" on faster tables I presume you mean you can move the cue ball around more easily, and draw further, use less effort on your shots, etc, and all is true. But in terms of available shot/positional/pattern options, for somebody with good knowledge and creativity you lose a lot of your available options on a fast table because many options simply become impossible due to the table speed. You lose a few of your available options on a slow table as well, but not nearly as many because for most part the shots you can do on a fast table can also be done on a slower table by shooting harder. I think the smarter more knowledgeable and creative players lose a good bit of their advantage on fast tables and I prefer keeping that advantage when possible.
 
I’d go 760 if you expect humid conditions. I played in one room in Philly for years that was near a creek and the AC wasn’t so good. It was a players room. The owner was a pro and always had 760 on it. It played the same as other rooms nearby that had 860, and did not have the humidity issue.

One cloth change he tried 860. We all hated it. It was dog slow in that environment.

Disclaimer, he never tried 860HR. It probably wasn’t even around then.
 
I live in houston, have a table in the garage apartment. I don’t keep the AC on out there, but turn on the window unit when I do venture over. Multiple installers said to use 760, which I did and I don’t mind it at all.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
See, and I kind of feel the opposite. By "do more" on faster tables I presume you mean you can move the cue ball around more easily, and draw further, use less effort on your shots, etc, and all is true. But in terms of available shot/positional/pattern options, for somebody with good knowledge and creativity you lose a lot of your available options on a fast table because many options simply become impossible due to the table speed. You lose a few of your available options on a slow table as well, but not nearly as many because for most part the shots you can do on a fast table can also be done on a slower table by shooting harder. I think the smarter more knowledgeable and creative players lose a good bit of their advantage on fast tables and I prefer keeping that advantage when possible.
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A carom table has the most possible CB position options. Its significantly faster than a pool table.
 
Ok I see some saying 760 cause will play better when humid. But what about right now when it's winter and no humidity will it be crazy fast?
Also does the HR mean it will show ball burn less ?

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northshoremb said:
Ok I see some saying 760 cause will play better when humid. But what about right now when it's winter and no humidity will it be crazy fast?
Also does the HR mean it will show ball burn less ?

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The room I played in in Philly in the winter time when humidity was low played great with the 760. Its not night and day different than 860. Just a hair faster. IMO. Night and day different would be a carom table with simonis 300.

Both 760 and 860 will show a lot of burn marks, from personal experience. IDK about 860HR.
 
iusedtoberich said:
The room I played in in Philly in the winter time when humidity was low played great with the 760. Its not night and day different than 860. Just a hair faster. IMO. Night and day different would be a carom table with simonis 300.

Both 760 and 860 will show a lot of burn marks, from personal experience. IDK about 860HR.
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Disagree on the 760. Installed in the same conditions 760 is a lot faster imo. It also wears faster. I remember when it first came out. We all hated it. Ok for 14.1 i guess buts its too fast for 9ball which was the game in my area. I think 860HR or ANDY988 are the nuts. The ANDY is a tad faster than HR. Its on tables where i go and its nice.
 
In houston, 760 isn’t that much faster than 860. The quality of the rails will have an effect on speed too. But I’m happy with my 760 because it is a tad faster and I need that in this climate. Bottom line, I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either. Pick one, get it installed, and start running racks. You’ll love the decision either way you go.
 
Thanks for all the replies!! Think I'm going to do the HR for the little bit longer life. I have a Somonis X1 cleaner and will do the damp microfiber cloth after playing so should last longer. Mainly for me practicing on my own 90% of the time

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garczar said:
Disagree on the 760. Installed in the same conditions 760 is a lot faster imo. It also wears faster. I remember when it first came out. We all hated it. Ok for 14.1 i guess buts its too fast for 9ball which was the game in my area. I think 860HR or ANDY988 are the nuts. The ANDY is a tad faster than HR. Its on tables where i go and its nice.
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I went with Andy 988 about six months ago. I have been using Simonis 860 for years. So far I have not been disappointed,
I don't think the Andy will ever wear out. My son has 860HR on his table, next time I get to Denver I will do a roll test and see how they compare for speed.
 
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Cuebuddy said:
I went with Andy 988 about six months ago. I have been using Simonis 860 for years. So far I have not been disappointed,
I don't think the Andy will ever wear out. My son has 860 on his table, next time I get to Denver I will do a roll test and see how they compare for speed.
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Its faster than reg. 860 in the same conditions. Humidity has really big effect on any cloth with a high wool content. Denver is fairly dry so imagine cloth would play at its intended speed.
 
Ahh that's the info I wanted. The higher the wool content the more humidity will stretch it

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