8ball wwyd

(11 Frozen) Roll 5 into the rail then off the rail and tie to the 11 with the 5 just off the rail. He gives you ball in hand again. Play the 7 in corner for the break out or I would now roll the 7 into the the top of the 11 towards the pocket side but still covering the 11 AND hide behind the 8. lol (this all sounds good typing but might change playing depending on WHO i was playing and how spunky i was feeling) He still has no shot and you have a much easier controlled break out PLUS it's fun!
 
If you play the 7, with an angle to bump the 11, you should end up with a shot on the 5. I don't see a problem.
 
easy-e said:
Then he gives you BIH, what's next?
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Then you place the cue ball on the rail behind the 5, shoot into the 5 and bump the 11 down a little more towards the corner pocket, continuing to snooker him, but leaving enough room this time so that if he gives you BIH again you’ll have enough room to shoot the 5 in the far corner.
 
I think most players play this to run out. Shoot the 7 in the side or corner but don't blast it.

If for whatever reason I play safe. I am shooting the 5 up table about 8 inches. Basically stick the cue ball. The 5 blocks a long rail kick. The other important part is to make sure that the cue ball angle on the 11 is above the eight ball not below. Otherwise you'll get a safe played right back and you're stuck under the 8. The the only real shot for your opponent has is a two rail kick jacked up over a ball. I like those odds and all the pressure is on your opponent.
 
ChrisinNC said:
Then you place the cue ball on the rail behind the 5, shoot into the 5 and bump the 11 down a little more towards the corner pocket, continuing to snooker him, but leaving enough room this time so that if he gives you BIH again you’ll have enough room to shoot the 5 in the far corner.
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I see what you're thinking, but why not just execute that plan first with the 7 ball still on the table?
 
You guys that are bumping the 5 into the 11 , what happens when the opposition 2 rail kicks into the 11 softly? Cueball on the 11 so you are now kicking at the 7.

Remember it is 8 ball seldom played with a 3 foul rule.

As the table sits it is hard ,even with bih , to bank the 5 past the 8. And if you do where are you going to leave the cueball.
 
alphadog said:
You guys that are bumping the 5 into the 11 , what happens when the opposition 2 rail kicks into the 11 softly? Cueball on the 11 so you are now kicking at the 7.
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2 rails softly snug up on the 11 so that the 7 is completely hidden?
id say thats very low percentage to hide it so that no part of the 7 can be clipped, the area in which to land in that one spot is about as big as the cue ball,or smaller
 
Texas Carom Club said:
2 rails softly snug up on the 11 so that the 7 is completely hidden?
id say thats very low percentage to hide it so that no part of the 7 can be clipped, the area in which to land in that one spot is about as big as the cue ball,
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So we set this scenario up and played it a few times. Guy bumps 5 into 11. I 2 rail kicked into the 11. 11 came a 1/2" off the rail cueball literally behind it on the rail. Barely enough room to kick back out.
Yes that was as good as that could have happened. The thing is if you don't really screw up the 11 / 5 are still a problem.
 
Tooler said:
If you play the 7, with an angle to bump the 11, you should end up with a shot on the 5. I don't see a problem.
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The problem with that shot is "you should" ..... what pocket is the 5 going in?
alphadog said:
You guys that are bumping the 5 into the 11 , what happens when the"? Cueball on the 11 so you are now kicking at the 7.

Remember it is 8 ball seldom played with a 3 foul rule.

As the table sits it is hard ,even with bih , to bank the 5 past the 8. And if you do where are you going to leave the cueball.
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" opposition 2 rail kicks into the 11 softly" Very low percentage shot to hide both the 5/7. If it does happen kick short 1 rail at 7 or tie his 11 with a foul
 
alphadog said:
Texas , not picking on you but you are carom/3 cushion player right ? How do split that 5/ 11 to insure you have a easy out?
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Cb really should split the 2 balls an 5 first is preferred. I like a slowish speed but the rest of table layout plays a big role in what subsequent options become available.

Hitting (half or more of) a single ball is highly likely to result in little movement or a double kiss that leaves no good shot.
 
Ball in hand with next ball near the rail... We should all be able to hit that 5 ball on whatever side we choose with whatever speed is appropriate.
 
Saturday I will try and post a picture of the results of this scenario. 8 ball can be a very challenging game. This layout wasn't super hard but there were lots of ways to make it hard.
 
VarmintKong said:
Ball in hand with next ball near the rail... We should all be able to hit that 5 ball on whatever side we choose with whatever speed is appropriate.
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I showed 2 examples of how the shot could turn out bad. This shot required moving 3 or 4 balls and controlling all of them.

The wheel drill is a good thing to practice. Thanks for the link.
 
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