8ft -vs- 9ft

Bearing in mind that i'm thrilled when I run 12. My home table is an 8 ft.Brunswick VIP with Simonis 760. My corner pockets are shimmed somewhat tighter than the average house table. Every place except home I play on 9 footers. I don't play at all on 7 footers. I don't find the average 9 ft table to be any more difficult than my 8 ft. I have never played on a Diamond. I suppose I would find some difference there.

Dave Nelson
 
If I could find a house to rent in the UK, that has got a good sized basement, I would happily turn that into a pool room, but no such luck :(

Willie
 
Marop said:
No, thats Johns girlfriend, Rachael

Really? Thanks. I'm going to see Sara in a couple of weeks and thought the avatar photo looked just like her.

Jeff Livingston
 
TheWizard said:
Now there's an interesting question that is related to the thread, what table size were these new record runs meant to have been made on? :)

I didn't hear anything of Babe Cranfield breaking Mosconi's 526, but it wouldn't suprise me if he did :)
Willie

I think it's been pretty common knowledge in the North East US for some time. IIRC, both were on 9 footers, Cranfield on a Gold Crown, I think, but not sure.
 
Thanks buddy :thumbup:

Does anyone know what was the ball count of Art Cranfield's high run? :)

Willie
 
TheWizard said:
Thanks buddy :thumbup:

Does anyone know what was the ball count of Art Cranfield's high run? :)

Willie

I don't remember and took a quick look in "The Straight Pool Bible" and found no mention there.
Sorry.
 
No worries buddy :thumbup:, I've got that book also and I couldn't find any details of it either :) lol

Willie
 
Well, is there anyone up for trying to beat Cranfield' HR of 768? :)... that's some serious hard hittin' high runs :)

I've e-mailed the guy who has the list, to ask him to add Danny Harriman's 280 to the list and also to update Nick Van Den Berg's new high run to 293 :)

They are some serious high runs and are definitely something to aim for :thumbup:

Thanks man, some well deserved rep points heading your way :)

Willie
 
sjm said:
Before we undervalue Mosconi's great run, I'll note that I'm of the opinion that if Mosconi had played on Simonis 860 cloth, he may have been capable of a 1,000 ball run.

In the good old days, the balls simply didn't break the way they do today on break shots. As the break shots (both beginning of rack and during the rack) had to be hit harder, more of them were missed in the good old days. That's why, back then, anybody who consistently averaged more than 10 balls per inning (with safeties counting as zero) was a contender for the world championship. I know, because I attended most of the World 14.1 championships from 1975-86.

Seems odd replying to my own post, but here goes. Just to offer a taste of how tough it was to have a high balls per inning average in the good old days, here are the balls per inning figures from the US Open 14.1 event of 1967.


1st place finisher Jimmy Caras had an 11.02 BPI
2nd place Luther Lassiter had 6.86
3rd place Irving Crane had 9.29
4th place Dallas West had 8.26
5th place John Ervolino had 7.00
6th place Jack Breit had 6.66
7th place Joe Balsis had 10.70
8th place Frank McGown had 6.86
9th place Steve Mizerak had 9.23
10th place Dan Gartner had 8.16
11th place Alton Whitlow had 6.66
12th place Maynard Parish had 4.81
13th place Lou Butera had 10.05
14th place Cisero Murphy had 7.96

See what I mean?
 
john schmidt said:
i used to wonder myself which is harder. the 8ft is absolutely easier. furthermore i was in the ob1 booth this year on a diamond bartable.i was curious if i could run 100. i walked in first shot 830 am ,dress clothes ,balls were even kinda dirty,no glove and not my obcue.a different obcue and ran 181 . bob jewett sweated most of it and my ob1 guys saw whole thing.
at first i said to myself thats gotta be like running 400.
actually it was easier than 9ft because i could reach every break ball easy and all the shots werte almost unmissable.
a 4by 8 is even easier.
trust me on 4by8 big pockets i think i would run over 500 within a 2 year period.
in closing i promise 4by8 is easier and if someone thinks different they can take a week on 9ft and ill take week on 4by8 and see who runs the most.jmho


While JS is considered one of the best 14.1 players these days, I am perhaps the worst 14.1 player these days that can play pool.

I read the first post, got to Johns post and stopped reading and am making this post, I firmly believe the 8' table is 100% the easiest size table for 14.1. A 7' box is brutal because there are just to many traffic jams the balls look huge and the game just dosent work on that size table. A 9' foot table is much harder because your target is smaller, its harder to cheat the pocket. The 8' box is the perfect compermise there arnt many traffic jams and the size of your target(pocket or cluster) is much bigger on a 8' table but not congested like a 7' table.

The reason my perspective is credible is because I'm a reasonalby good player, I have played 25 years and am very experienced, I just dont have the coordination to be a great player-but I have been around top players for years and learned alot. 3 years on a 8' table at home so I have a bit of experience on that size table.

My 14.1 game is so weak that I can really tell when I have the slightest advantage, when you are so bad at something you notice anything that helps because I do know how to play pool and when I do play 14.1 on a 8' table I can run 12 or 13, and 8-10 on a 9' table. On occasion I can break and run a 4 pack playing 9B so you can see that I can play a little, i have a weak break, If I could break I might get to 6 but not better than that.

I hope hearing from a champion and the worst 14.1 player in one post helps the extreme ends of talent I think lends credibility to this argument, I'll give John 90% and take 10%, hows that?


John break the 526 please, Seriously Bonds broke the HR record I would love to see you do it buddy, I mean that-your one hell of a player and capable and I promis you the last 15 balls getting to that record will get your heart pounding and test your heart, not really test but you'll grow stronger from beating that record as a player so when your in finish line in games in the future they will be easier, because you'll be that much stronger, thicker armour. DO IT MAN!!!!!!
 
TheWizard said:
Amen to that :thumbup:

It's kinda hard to believe though that with the amount of high calibre pool players that are around nowadays, that no-one has yet beaten Mosconi's record run, after all, records are made to be broken :)

Willie

Apples, oranges and potatos...

Willie toured the country giving exhibitions that included a 14.1 match
with an opponent - usually a local player - but sometimes a very highly skilled player he would bring along. George Rood and 'Rags" Fitzpatrick were two players he would often play when in their areas.

The record - technically an exhibition match high run record, came in a game to 200. as was typical for Willie - and other champs doing the exhibition circuit, when he got to 200, he kept going 'till he missed.

Mosconi would be on the road for months at a time, playing virtually every day, often twice a day - occasionaly even three in one day. No one has done anything remotely resembling the exhibition tours
Willie and the others did, for more than half a century.

Players just don't play all that much Straight Pool anymore.
And besides - even if someone does have a practice run of 527 or more,
would that really qualify as breaking Willie's record. It is accepted by
most who have heard the story that Willie practice ran in the high 600s
on his 9 ft Aniversary and quit because supper was ready.

Dale
 
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