9-11 Tribute to our Fallen brothers & Sisters

God Bless America

I salute eveyone in the Armed Forces an take pride in my country as an American. I think no one can forget Sept. the 11th. I know exactly where I was on that fateful day.
Pinocchio
 
I'm not sure how many of you were watching CNN this morning, but watching the bag-pipe guy walk through the pentagon 911 memorial playing that scottish funeral song was pretty emotional. Hard not to get teared up.

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I wish we'd carpet-nuke afghanistan and reset the region.
 
Bigtruck said:
I'm sure we lost many a pool players and fans in the 9-11 terrorist attacks along with 1,000's more!

I love this Toby Keith tribute!! Please take a moment today to remember all our brother & sisters that we lost in the attack and all our troops that have given the ultimate sacrifice or are serving to carry on the freedom we enjoy!!

Ray

Watch This Tribute and NEVER forget!!

I won't forget and hope my fellow Americans no matter which side of the fence they are on will remember that our troops are doing what our country has asked them to do and that they deserve not only our respect, but our support now and especially when they return home.

One of my fears is that America will not treat this generation of returning soliders with the health care that they will need and deserve.
JoeyA
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I'm not sure how many of you were watching CNN this morning, but watching the bag-pipe guy walk through the pentagon 911 memorial playing that scottish funeral song was pretty emotional. Hard not to get teared up.

EDIT:

I wish we'd carpet-nuke afghanistan and reset the region.


I walked by the WTC site about 8 this morning so many people and so little noise. Manhattan is never quite except on this very sad day.
 
My Ground Zero Memory...

I was at Ground Zero a month after it happened, in the Red Zone, as a guest of the Dept. Police Commissioner. When I stepped in the unmarked police van, we drove to the site. There were multiple security "circles" around the Red Zone. At the outermost circle, there were hundreds, probably thousands of people waving at us - holding signs of "thank you" for the police, fire fighters and rescue workers. Wow. Breath-taking. I wasn't a cop, but it was touching sensation.

They drove us through the security circles and when we reached the pile, the driver asked us to leave our cameras in the van. I stepped out of the van, took a breath, and nearly threw-up. In one breath, I had the "taste" of the towers, ash, soot, and who knows whatever else in my mouth. They gave me a dust mask, which I ended up keeping - although they were supposed to be returned.

It was still on fire. I was asked by the Dept. Police Commissioner to assess the technical requirements of an emergency response scene; however, it's fair to say I didn't get much done while walking around the pile. I was told that the buildings crashed with such force, up to 1/3 of each building impacted underground and were so compressed, i-beams were white hot --- even a month after the collapse.

The pile was still smoking heavily, and the ground crew had just setup a cross out of two i-beams from the rubble. I started calling people on my cell phone to share what I was looking at-- as if I was a commentator. Friends, family, about 5 mins for each person... I was calling whoever came to mind, trying to describe the surroundings.

I remember walking around the pile, looking around me. The area reminded me of an atrium--- just a wide open space in a jungle of skyscrapers--- in disbelief how two planes could do so much damage.

I was standing near the pile of the south tower when I came across a fire fighter.... a huge fellow....hunched over in a ball. Thinking he was hurt while moving something, I walked up to him asking if I could help him and he didn't respond. When I got closer, he was crying uncontrollably. I've never seen an ogre of a man cry like this. While moving rubble, he had moved a sheet of metal and found the remains of a woman, apparently looking like she was thrown into a person-sized blender.

I walked around the site for an hour, taking notes, looking around. A vivid memory of mine was an adjacent building looked as though it was cut in half with a knife. It almost reminded me of a sand castle you would build as a kid that was too close to the ocean. When the wave hits, half of it would disappear. The building was perfectly cut in half...perfectly. One half of the building was fine, the other half had offices with keyboards hanging off the edge, where a desk once stood.

My original purpose for being in NYC that day was to meet with the city during the height of the anthrax crisis. At the time, they weren't sure how to handle the anthrax scenes. The HAZMAT teams all perished in the WTC, and they didn't know whether to make the info public or not. They thought since my company helped the Navy with a live distance learning project, we could connect the Mayo Clinic with training officers called the NYC InTac Team to do an "Anthrax 101" course and secure the areas.

There I was on the top floor of the Police Academy building in Manhattan, with everyone there but Guilliani listening to everyone panic. I thought anthrax was a shitty rock band from the 80's. I had no clue what I was witnessing at the time.

Ultimately, FEMA came in and secured everything up - which was good. It was too much responsibility on my shoulders, I'm glad it ended that way. When I left the Red Zone pile, the Mayo Clinic doctor I was with and the other individuals in my group stopped by for a beer near Penn Station. There was a group of firefighters covered in Ground Zero soot, all sitting solemnly at a few tables pushed together.

We took care of their tab and sent a round of beer over - and that's how my memory of that day ended.

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Thanks

Great Story Spidy!!! Thanks for sharing! We're you able to connect the parties for the training?

SpiderWebComm said:
I was at Ground Zero a month after it happened, in the Red Zone, as a guest of the Dept. Police Commissioner. When I stepped in the unmarked police van, we drove to the site. There were multiple security "circles" around the Red Zone. At the outermost circle, there were hundreds, probably thousands of people waving at us - holding signs of "thank you" for the police, fire fighters and rescue workers. Wow. Breath-taking. I wasn't a cop, but it was touching sensation.

They drove us through the security circles and when we reached the pile, the driver asked us to leave our cameras in the van. I stepped out of the van, took a breath, and nearly threw-up. In one breath, I had the "taste" of the towers, ash, soot, and who knows whatever else in my mouth. They gave me a dust mask, which I ended up keeping - although they were supposed to be returned.

It was still on fire. I was asked by the Dept. Police Commissioner to assess the technical requirements of an emergency response scene; however, it's fair to say I didn't get much done while walking around the pile. I was told that the buildings crashed with such force, up to 1/3 of each building impacted underground and were so compressed, i-beams were white hot --- even a month after the collapse.

The pile was still smoking heavily, and the ground crew had just setup a cross out of two i-beams from the rubble. I started calling people on my cell phone to share what I was looking at-- as if I was a commentator. Friends, family, about 5 mins for each person... I was calling whoever came to mind, trying to describe the surroundings.

I remember walking around the pile, looking around me. The area reminded me of an atrium--- just a wide open space in a jungle of skyscrapers--- in disbelief how two planes could do so much damage.

I was standing near the pile of the south tower when I came across a fire fighter.... a huge fellow....hunched over in a ball. Thinking he was hurt while moving something, I walked up to him asking if I could help him and he didn't respond. When I got closer, he was crying uncontrollably. I've never seen an ogre of a man cry like this. While moving rubble, he had moved a sheet of metal and found the remains of a woman, apparently looking like she was thrown into a person-sized blender.

I walked around the site for an hour, taking notes, looking around. A vivid memory of mine was an adjacent building looked as though it was cut in half with a knife. It almost reminded me of a sand castle you would build as a kid that was too close to the ocean. When the wave hits, half of it would disappear. The building was perfectly cut in half...perfectly. One half of the building was fine, the other half had offices with keyboards hanging off the edge, where a desk once stood.

My original purpose for being in NYC that day was to meet with the city during the height of the anthrax crisis. At the time, they weren't sure how to handle the anthrax scenes. The HAZMAT teams all perished in the WTC, and they didn't know whether to make the info public or not. They thought since my company helped the Navy with a live distance learning project, we could connect the Mayo Clinic with training officers called the NYC InTac Team to do an "Anthrax 101" course and secure the areas.

There I was on the top floor of the Police Academy building in Manhattan, with everyone there but Guilliani listening to everyone panic. I thought anthrax was a shitty rock band from the 80's. I had no clue what I was witnessing at the time.

Ultimately, FEMA came in and secured everything up - which was good. It was too much responsibility on my shoulders, I'm glad it ended that way. When I left the Red Zone pile, the Mayo Clinic doctor I was with and the other individuals in my group stopped by for a beer near Penn Station. There was a group of firefighters covered in Ground Zero soot, all sitting solemnly at a few tables pushed together.

We took care of their tab and sent a round of beer over - and that's how my memory of that day ended.

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Agree

unknownpro said:
Please withdraw this comment, it is uncalled for and anger provoking.

I agree with UKP.

After reading what you had witnessed I understand your strong feelings Spidy, but Nuclear weapons should NOT be used. Too many innocent people would be affected.:wink:

Ray
 
I just returned from a memorial service in Rockefeller Center in which the names of the victims were read while light, somber music played in the background. It was very moving, and, of course, heartbreaking.

September 11, a day that reaks of a horror that has started, but never will, fully fade. I live in Manhattan, a few miles from the World Trade Center, and where some friends and colleagues died that day. I've told my story on the forum before, of how one of my brothers who worked at the World trade Center escaped from the scene (though I didn't learn of his escape for many hours) and how the other was on a flight from Newark to San Francisco that morning, on the same airline and out of the same gate but one hour after the plane that was hijacked and flown into one of the towers.

As the years go by, however, I've become more inclined to think about the tiny little details of that day and the few that followed. Some of the details that seem all the more remarkable today:

On 9/11:
1) Hundred of thousands travelling the streets and avenues on foot, but most of them weren't talking to each other, in a collective state of shock.
2) Where possible, hospital patients in less serious condition were moved out of the hospitals and into the streets to make room for the many requiring medical attention.
3) Chelsea Piers, normally a golf driving range and entertainment center was, in a matter of hours, converted into a medical center.
4) New York City Mayor Giuliani addressed his constituency and gave a stirring speech. My mother, an English teen druing World War II, related that the speech reassured her in much the same way that Churchill's speeches had during the Battle of Britain.

On 9/12:
1) Hope for those still missing started to fade.
2) New Yorkers had a deeper appreciation for cops, firemen, and emergency workers than ever before, and we wept for our friends and families , but alos for these fallen heros.
3) Confusion about funeral arrangments abounded. Should one wait to be sure the loved one is really deceased, given the inescapable reality that countless bodies would never be recovered? Could one have a funeral without a body, thousands wondered?
4) The streets were virtually silent. I walked about three quarters of a mile to Times Square in the late morning, and it was half an hour before I found a vendor that was selling newspapers. Normally, one can find a vendor every two blocks or so in Manhattan. Nobody was in Times Square, perhaps not as many as twenty five people in a spot known for its crowds and congestion.

In the days that followed:
1) Eerie funerals in which the body had not been recovered.
2) Baseball games meant to be played in New Tork became road games. I recall that I had given my tickets to a Mets-Pirates game to good friends Gerda Hofstatter and Jean Balukas as I could not attend, but the game they had tickets to was played in Pittsburgh, not New York.
3) When baseball returned to NY, I recall that on that first night back at Shea Stadium, the Met players played while wearing the caps of the NY fire department and the NY police department as a tribute to our fallen heros.

The supporting details are a big part of the memory of that tragic day, at least for me.
 
unknownpro said:
Please withdraw this comment, it is uncalled for and anger provoking.


Nahhhh. I stand by it.
Edit... if my desk was in an office that was oval, there'd already be a 1000 square mile sheet of glass in those mountains.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Nahhhh. I stand by it.
Edit... if my desk was in an office that was oval, there'd already be a 1000 square mile sheet of glass in those mountains.

Here's some history of America's involvement in Afghanistan...

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/afghan.htm

A small snippet...

His followers first gained attention by throwing acid in the faces
of women who refused to wear the veil. CIA and State Department
officials I have spoken with call him "scary," "vicious," "a fascist,"
"definite dictatorship material".{1}

This did not prevent the United States government from showering the man with large amounts of aid to fight against the Soviet- supported government of Afghanistan. His name was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. He was the head of the Islamic Party and he hated the United States almost as much as he hated the Russians. His followers screamed "Death to America" along with "Death to the Soviet Union", only the Russians were not showering him with large amounts of aid.{2}
The United States began supporting Afghan Islamic fundamentalists in 1979 despite the fact that in February of that year some of them had kidnapped the American ambassador in the capital city of Kabul, leading to his death in the rescue attempt. The support continued even after their brother Islamic fundamentalists in next-door Iran seized the US Embassy in Teheran in November and held 55 Americans hostage for over a year. Hekmatyar and his colleagues were, after all, in battle against the Soviet Evil Empire; he was thus an important member of those forces Ronald Reagan called "freedom fighters".
 
The 911 Attacks have touched many families in America, and some of those who live threw 911 will always have memories of the attach.

I have a NEPHEW who was a Rookie NYC Fireman who was on duty the morning of the attacks, replacement shift personal came in early before the start of their shift, old Frank to go home early, his supervisor sad “go home Frank”, as his wife was expecting their first child any day.

He got in his car and drove home to Long Island, as he was pulling into the driveway word came over the radio of the first plane hitting the WTC, Frank told his wife he need to go back to help.

All of the guys who were first responder from his Fire House in DT Manhattan were killed when the WTC Towers fell.

Frank to this day continue to this day his career as a NYC Fireman, he lives with the gilt of going home early, and deal with the what if of that day.
 
Respect the Fallen

Bigtruck said:
I agree with UKP.

After reading what you had witnessed I understand your strong feelings Spidy, but Nuclear weapons should NOT be used. Too many innocent people would be affected.:wink:

Ray
Good post Bigtruck-Let us all honor and respect the Fallen and not bring disrespect to their memories or dishonor to the actions of the men and women on the front lines by public woofing. You guys can pm each other and bark all you want. God Bless America.
 
Easy-e....How much C4 is required to blast the entrance of a Taliban cave assuming the entrance is about 15' x 15' with solid granite and quartz?

Is there anything more exotic than C4?????
 
easy-e said:
Well that settles it for me. If the janitor says it, I believe it.:thumbup:

The "janitor" you are making fun of was the only person in the building with a key to all the locked starwell doors. These he had because he filed a lawsuit after falling once in the middle of the stairwell hurting his back and waiting for hours till someone came looking for him to get him out because all the stairway doors were locked. His lawsuit, and his actions on 911 helped over a hundred people escape the building. He led firefighters up through the building unlocking doors for them and helping people to safety. He is a hero.
 
unknownpro said:
The "janitor" you are making fun of was the only person in the building with a key to all the locked starwell doors. These he had because he filed a lawsuit after falling once in the middle of the stairwell hurting his back and waiting for hours till someone came looking for him to get him out because all the stairway doors were locked. His lawsuit, and his actions on 911 helped over a hundred people escape the building. He led firefighters up through the building unlocking doors for them and helping people to safety. He is a hero.

Who said I was making fun of him?

Edit: Why is janitor surrounded by quotation marks in your post? Is it not PC to say janitor anymore? I really don't get it...
 
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