9-ball, change the rules

So basically the premise here is that the skilled player can't outrun the slop with quality play?? I don't buy it.

If you're playing at a level where the competition is slopping a lot of balls in, then a large share of the entries $ is probably from those players. It only makes for a bigger pot!! Why would you want to get rid of all those players?

You want a totally slop free game? Try snooker....see how many balls get 'slopped' in there, or 3 cushion. Plenty of other venues to take. I vote for leave 9 ball the way it is. It favors the more skilled player and that is the way I like it. JMNSHO



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one thing is for sure and that is that if 2 equal players are trying to win a race to 7,9 or 11 and one gets a hook after a missed shot then his chances of winning are doubled unless the other guy does the same thing. No one can outrun the rolls, not unless they are a much better player, and even then luck can dominate skill.
 
hold on

THE GAME SHOULD BE CALL POCKET!

Call shot is too much trouble, call pocket is the way to go.

And, last night was the suck ass of slop that i've ever seen.

I took 4th in tourny last night but i should have done much better. Both matches i lost (race to 3 for b players and 4 for A players) I am a B player and i was playing A players. I needed 3 to their 4. I was on the hill my opponent needs two and he is shooting. My opponent slops in the 7 ball and ends up dead nuts on the 8 to the 9 for the out. Then the break and run the final game.

this happened TWICE, the tourny only paid top 3.

NO MORE SLOP GAMES FOR ME, CALL POCKET OR SHUT THE ##$%# UP AN PLAY SOMEONE ELSE.
 
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cbi1000 said:
THE GAME SHOULD BE CALL POCKET!

Call shot is too much trouble, call pocket is the way to go.

And, last night was the suck ass of slop that i've ever seen.

I took 4th in tourny last night but i should have done much better. Both matches i lost (race to 3 for b players and 4 for A players) I am a B player and i was playing A players. I needed 3 to their 4. I was on the hill my opponent needs two and he is shooting. My opponent slops in the 7 ball and ends up dead nuts on the 8 to the 9 for the out. Then the break and run the final game.

this happened TWICE, the tourny only paid top 3.

NO MORE SLOP GAMES FOR ME, CALL POCKET OR SHUT THE ##$%# UP AN PLAY SOMEONE ELSE.
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This just reinforce what I've said about the length of the match.... sorry but a race to 3 or 4 in 9ball and I don't even bother to sign in....
some of the places don't have two tables that play the same, you need 2- -3 games just to get the feel of the table...
 
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say they were never playing 9 ball again because of slop. If you are honest with yourself, you lose many more games due to your errors than you do slop. Slop hurts in tournaments sometimes because it is only one set. I will gamble all day long with someone who depends on slop to win at 9 ball.
 
cbi1000 said:
I can't believe we still play slop 9 ball. I will no longer play 9 ball after tonight. If you can't win a fn game calling your pocket then you should not play. And this is coming from a "B" player.
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Quit playing bangers. A good player isnt gonna "slop" in many balls. And it goes both ways, How many times have u seen someone drop a ball accidentally and leave themselves hooked? Its a double edges sword.
 
skor said:
BTW, before the 9ball "Texas express" rules took over you had to call the 9ball and balls that went in on a foul or off the table used to be spotted.
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I learned to play in New York State and never heard of calling the 9 ball, ever. And that goes back several years before Texas Express. And, I hung around with guys who played all over the country. The only time I ever heard of calling the 9 ball at all was maybe in the case of a spot. And, ball in hand behind the line, scratching when a ball is in the kitchen???? What did/does that have to do with 9 ball? That's bar room 8 ball nonsense. I quit playing 8 ball in bars a long time ago and it doesn't apply to Straight pool or One Pocket because the balls get spotted.
Good grief!!!
 
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cbi1000 said:
I can't believe we still play slop 9 ball. I will no longer play 9 ball after tonight. If you can't win a fn game calling your pocket then you should not play. And this is coming from a "B" player.
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The 9 on the break shouldn't be considered a win either....
 
I have to admit, it puzzles me somewhat, that I pretty much accepted what you refer to as "slop" as being a part of the game of 9 ball, while I despise the TE ball in hand rules. I guess that it stems from playing before the TE rules with the two foul push out rules. I can remember when the only people I ever heard use the word "slop" were bar room players who couldn't run three balls and had just been beat by a guy who played four or five times better than they did. And, they couldn't figure out why.
I've been stuck in the trenches by guys who played a ball or two under pro speed and hit every thing they threw at me and gave them fits back. I've played people who knew I hated 8 ball and beat them and they couldn't understand how I could play a game that I hated so well. {Straight pool:)}
Just because some of us don't like the 9 ball rules doesn't mean we can't play it if we want to. I play less 9 ball all the time and 8 ball I try hard not to play at all.
 
Pushout said:
And, ball in hand behind the line, scratching when a ball is in the kitchen???? What did/does that have to do with 9 ball? That's bar room 8 ball nonsense. I quit playing 8 ball in bars a long time ago and it doesn't apply to Straight pool or One Pocket because the balls get spotted.
Good grief!!!
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That was a reference to why both 8 and 9 ball should be BIH after a foul, which you said you do not like. It is bar room nonsense 8 ball which is my point. You said you don't play 9-ball because of the BIH rule, and I was simply stating why both 8 and 9 ball should be BIH. Maybe I am interpreting what you are saying incorrectly. Either that, or you are making the point for me.

I have seen many matches where a pro slops in a ball, and goes on to win the rack. It really makes no sense as to why the game would allow slop, especially when tournament winnings may be on the line. Luck should have as little to do with it as possible!
 
Hey, let's go back to:
1-calling shots
2-spotting balls made on fouls
3-a break box
4-two shot fouls(for those of you who don't know, it's basically a rollout on every shot, and if you want the old rules, it's pretty much #1
5-go back to 5x10's

Sorry, I know how sarcastic it is, but luck is a part of the game. In ALL pool games. Missed position in straight pool can result in another shot, or perfect shape for a safety. I get more game deciding rolls, good or bad, in one pocket than I see in 9 ball. The only way to lessen it, imo, is to play 10 ball, and spot the ten on the break at least, or if it goes early anytime. No rules are going to make everyone happy, but the current set has done fairly well the last 30 years or so. Just one guy's opinion
 
One simple rule change would help: If the nine drops early, spot it and keep shooting. Winning by accident just ain't right. It would be a more skillful game spotting the nine.
 
mantis99 said:
That was a reference to why both 8 and 9 ball should be BIH after a foul, which you said you do not like. It is bar room nonsense 8 ball which is my point. You said you don't play 9-ball because of the BIH rule, and I was simply stating why both 8 and 9 ball should be BIH. Maybe I am interpreting what you are saying incorrectly. Either that, or you are making the point for me.

I have seen many matches where a pro slops in a ball, and goes on to win the rack. It really makes no sense as to why the game would allow slop, especially when tournament winnings may be on the line. Luck should have as little to do with it as possible!
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I may have misunderstood. Sorry.
 
mjantti said:
Then why don't you just play 10-ball, WPA rules. Call shot and everything...
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I don't think a lot of people are aware of 10 ball too much as of yet. I was playing it at the local a while back and a guy I've known for several years came over and said he'd only heard of it, never seen it played. I also think that even less people are aware that it's played call shot. I haven't seen the rules, in print, myself yet.
 
9-ball Rules

I played slop when I was ten and didn't know the rules. Now I'm an adult.

Slop is for kids.
 
cbi1000 said:
THE GAME SHOULD BE CALL POCKET!

Call shot is too much trouble, call pocket is the way to go.
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When and where I learned to play, these were both considered to be the same.
 
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specific and harder you make the rules, the better the better players will like it, and it will create even more disparity from lessor players. Without the 'fuz factor' in 9 ball, the better players will dominate even more.

The way 9 ball is now, gives more of a chance to lessor players when playing a better player. Do you really want to take that away? And if you do, should it only be for pro players,and not amateurs?
 
I kind of agree that "slop", including the 9-ball, does help (and encourage) weaker players to still TRY it against known better players, be it tournaments or gambling. We DO NEED those players in tournaments in order to have a good field and make a decent prize fund.

AT LEAST we can get rid of the "made for TV" Texas Express rules. Play all balls out. spot fouled balls, no ball in hand....but, slop permitted !!! It does lengthen the amount of time it takes to play a match.
 
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