9 Ball, Hill/Hill Your Shot.....
Any suggestions on winning this match?
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Thanks,
Ray
Any suggestions on winning this match?
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Thanks,
Ray
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9 Ball, Hill/Hill You're Shot.....
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I think you have to go for the bank on the 6Click here.... it's hill hill, I'm not letting my opponent back to the table with a moderate safety. I'm all in.Bigtruck said:
I'd play safe
The answer certainly depends on how strong your opponent is. Against a weak player you might even want to give up a shot here. Personally I don't think I would get out very often even if I made the bank on the 6, so I would try to play safe taking the cueball two rails (top and bottom rails, as pictured) to the backside of the 9 while sending the two rails (top and right as pictured) gently toward the 7. If I can get ball in hand I can surely move the balls around enough to get out from there.
On the other hand, if you are the kind of player that just doesn't miss, by all means you should play the bank, get shape and get out.
The answer certainly depends on how strong your opponent is. Against a weak player you might even want to give up a shot here. Personally I don't think I would get out very often even if I made the bank on the 6, so I would try to play safe taking the cueball two rails (top and bottom rails, as pictured) to the backside of the 9 while sending the two rails (top and right as pictured) gently toward the 7. If I can get ball in hand I can surely move the balls around enough to get out from there.
On the other hand, if you are the kind of player that just doesn't miss, by all means you should play the bank, get shape and get out.
Thats a tough out whoever you are. 2 safeties:http://CueTable.com/P/?@2Fapl1GbEd2...PMBM2aapl2aboY2aUGf2aSrY1kMBM2kaIU4kbAh4kOjb@
Both arent easy to stick. 2nd page: 3 rail the 6 drifting the cue under the 8 and hopefully bumping iti n front of the side. 2nd is to thin the 6 loaded with spin to 2 rail the cue back under the 9. Hiding behind the 9 is maybe a 10% possibility but you will put some distance between the 6 and the cue. If you do go for it, you had better be real good at banking. Unless you are playing eddie taylor or bugs, it would not be a bad idea to play safe.
Both arent easy to stick. 2nd page: 3 rail the 6 drifting the cue under the 8 and hopefully bumping iti n front of the side. 2nd is to thin the 6 loaded with spin to 2 rail the cue back under the 9. Hiding behind the 9 is maybe a 10% possibility but you will put some distance between the 6 and the cue. If you do go for it, you had better be real good at banking. Unless you are playing eddie taylor or bugs, it would not be a bad idea to play safe.
When I look at the layout I believe I would cut the 6, if you bank it your left with another tuff shot on the 7 whitch you need an angle on to get back to the 8, or play safe, I think any top player could run this out but its one of those racks that can and will test your will to win.
Thats me though, Id bank the 6, have to bank the 7 cross corner, then have a pretty tough cut on the 8.. and no banking out in this situation is not my cup of tea. so Id cut the 6..
SPINDOKTOR
Thats me though, Id bank the 6, have to bank the 7 cross corner, then have a pretty tough cut on the 8.. and no banking out in this situation is not my cup of tea. so Id cut the 6..
SPINDOKTOR
For my money I've got to punt here! That table is too loaded with traps for me to even consider cutting or banking the six when the shot itself is low percentage and getting decent position is even lower. One of the main problems, in my view, is that it just doesn't make sense to take any shot that will not leave me decent shape to play the seven up the rail and then get shape to do the same to the eight. Since I don't see any reasonably high-percentage way to do that from the six, I figure the best choice is to bank the six towards the end rail and try to get the cue ball behind the nine. If the opponent can get out from there, more power to him, and I'll just have to pay it off.
VIProfessor said:
lol, yeah, me to but, I assumed this was like a TV match, if it was the first game in the set, Id lock the next player up tighter than fort knox, but hill, hill for the money? Id hate myself knowing I could have cut the 6, taking what the table has given me. Thats also assuming Fast cloth and clean balls, on a table with dirty balls and worn cloth this would be very tough.
SPINDOKTOR
"9 Ball, Hill/Hill You're Shot....."
First off, if I've been shot it will be a lot harder to win the match.
Assuming it's just a flesh wound, after looking carefully at the diagram, figuring out what I would do, and then starting to post my reply, I see that VIProfessor once again has stolen my idea.
I would try and cut the 6 to leave it on the end cushion and bring the cueball back two cushions behind the 9. I'm gonna try real hard to get that white ball behind the 9, because I think there's a real premium here for getting BIH on the 6.
If I happen to get BIH on the 6 I would seriously consider running into the 7 while pocketing the 6 (especially if it's a tight table), to get the 7 away from the rail and make position on the 8 easier.
After that I'm likely playing shape for the 8 in the corner opposite where the 9 is, unless I get very fortunate to get perfect shape on the 7 so that I can just roll the cueball over for a near straight-in on the 8 in the other corner. Playing for that corner would take perfect shape though, so I would have to be close to that side already and have something like a simple short follow on the 7 in the side for shape on the 8 to attempt that.
The third option on the 8 would be the cross-side bank, but I prefer the first option.
First off, if I've been shot it will be a lot harder to win the match.
Assuming it's just a flesh wound, after looking carefully at the diagram, figuring out what I would do, and then starting to post my reply, I see that VIProfessor once again has stolen my idea.
I would try and cut the 6 to leave it on the end cushion and bring the cueball back two cushions behind the 9. I'm gonna try real hard to get that white ball behind the 9, because I think there's a real premium here for getting BIH on the 6.
If I happen to get BIH on the 6 I would seriously consider running into the 7 while pocketing the 6 (especially if it's a tight table), to get the 7 away from the rail and make position on the 8 easier.
After that I'm likely playing shape for the 8 in the corner opposite where the 9 is, unless I get very fortunate to get perfect shape on the 7 so that I can just roll the cueball over for a near straight-in on the 8 in the other corner. Playing for that corner would take perfect shape though, so I would have to be close to that side already and have something like a simple short follow on the 7 in the side for shape on the 8 to attempt that.
The third option on the 8 would be the cross-side bank, but I prefer the first option.
Funny....
LMAO! OK, I got in a hurry and got shot. Too much trouble to get a title changed. I always appreciate a good sense of humor though!
This shot actually came up at a semi-pro event. My road dog was playing for a third place lockup. He attempted to cut it down the rail and left it hanging. Finished 4th.
Thanks for your ideas.
Ray
PoolBum said:"9 Ball, Hill/Hill You're Shot....."
First off, if I've been shot it will be a lot harder to win the match.
Assuming it's just a flesh wound, after looking carefully at the diagram, figuring out what I would do, and then starting to post my reply, I see that VIProfessor once again has stolen my idea.
I would try and cut the 6 to leave it on the end cushion and bring the cueball back two cushions behind the 9. I'm gonna try real hard to get that white ball behind the 9, because I think there's a real premium here for getting BIH on the 6.
If I happen to get BIH on the 6 I would seriously consider running into the 7 while pocketing the 6 (especially if it's a tight table), to get the 7 away from the rail and make position on the 8 easier.
After that I'm likely playing shape for the 8 in the corner opposite where the 9 is, unless I get very fortunate to get perfect shape on the 7 so that I can just roll the cueball over for a near straight-in on the 8 in the other corner. Playing for that corner would take perfect shape though, so I would have to be close to that side already and have something like a simple short follow on the 7 in the side for shape on the 8 to attempt that.
The third option on the 8 would be the cross-side bank, but I prefer the first option.
LMAO!
OK, I got in a hurry and got shot. Too much trouble to get a title changed. I always appreciate a good sense of humor though!This shot actually came up at a semi-pro event. My road dog was playing for a third place lockup. He attempted to cut it down the rail and left it hanging. Finished 4th.
Thanks for your ideas.
Ray
i would push balls around until I got a nice roll and could break the 7, then the 8 off the rails and then go on the offence if I was playing a real weak player, stalling like that keeps them on the line longer.
If I was playing a strong player id cut the 6 and get on the short side of the 7 and cut it in assuming the side pocket point dosent get in the way and on some tables it does some it dosent, i'm assuming here it dosent, cut the 7 in the left corner pocket, get on the short side of the 8 and see if i can pop it in the side or cut it like the 7 and make the 9 game over, its a tough out.
now If I got bad on the 7 or it wouldnt roll past the point on the side pocket I'd just bank the 7 neat the end rail behind the 9 if possible and leave the rock at the other end and hope for the best.
or
duck behind the 9 off the 6 hope for ball in hand and make a plan then, its an easy safty, thr 9 is a big bakk to hid behind from the layout.
hows that for an answere, it depends on the skill of the other player. I have heard it many times and its usually correct play the table not the player but this layout is an exception, agree? I'd liketo hear from someone who plays alot better than me on this one. years ago I was a A- player, now a B,but 14 year layoff hurts some
If I was playing a strong player id cut the 6 and get on the short side of the 7 and cut it in assuming the side pocket point dosent get in the way and on some tables it does some it dosent, i'm assuming here it dosent, cut the 7 in the left corner pocket, get on the short side of the 8 and see if i can pop it in the side or cut it like the 7 and make the 9 game over, its a tough out.
now If I got bad on the 7 or it wouldnt roll past the point on the side pocket I'd just bank the 7 neat the end rail behind the 9 if possible and leave the rock at the other end and hope for the best.
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duck behind the 9 off the 6 hope for ball in hand and make a plan then, its an easy safty, thr 9 is a big bakk to hid behind from the layout.
hows that for an answere, it depends on the skill of the other player. I have heard it many times and its usually correct play the table not the player but this layout is an exception, agree? I'd liketo hear from someone who plays alot better than me on this one. years ago I was a A- player, now a B,but 14 year layoff hurts some
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im not a strong bank player, but i'll go for the win every time if i think i can take it. my goal would be to cut the 6, bring the cue ball off the bottom rail a foot and a half or so and cut the 7, hopefully breaking the 8 off the rail with the cue ball off the cut, take it to the top left pocket, and game over! thats all hypothetical of course.
Keep in mind that I'd probably duck on this one, but if you have to get out from here bank the 6 hitting it hard with enough left draw to nudge the 8 away from the side and ideally leaving the CB near the side or preferably on the opposite side of the 7 for a cross side bank back to the side where the 8 originally was. The rest should be easy.
Back to how I'd duck? Although I'm not confident that I could hide the CB, I'm pretty sure I could put both balls far enough apart on opposite rails to leave my opponent with less options.
dave
Back to how I'd duck? Although I'm not confident that I could hide the CB, I'm pretty sure I could put both balls far enough apart on opposite rails to leave my opponent with less options.
dave
i know for a fact i'm not favored to get out there so i'd try to bank the six toward the lower right corner pocket but come up short and leave the cueball near the 9. after that it'd be weak safties trying to move the 7 and 8 off of those rails
This layout is just too horrible.
I wouldn't be playing safe. Because I don't think the word "safe" applies here. There is no safe that ups your chances. And there is no single offensive shot that ups your chances. This is a moving scenario, with each move having to be weighed out similar to one pocket.
OTOH, banking the 6 cross corner, 7 cross-side, 8 cross side would be pretty sporty.
Fred
I wouldn't be playing safe. Because I don't think the word "safe" applies here. There is no safe that ups your chances. And there is no single offensive shot that ups your chances. This is a moving scenario, with each move having to be weighed out similar to one pocket.
OTOH, banking the 6 cross corner, 7 cross-side, 8 cross side would be pretty sporty.
Fred
Ouch! I am ducking from there!
Then I am going to ask all prior responders here to reevaluate their 'yore' choices. Good God! What grade are you in?!?!
Then I am going to ask all prior responders here to reevaluate their 'yore' choices. Good God! What grade are you in?!?!
PoolBum said:"9 Ball, Hill/Hill You're Shot....."
First off, if I've been shot it will be a lot harder to win the match.
Assuming it's just a flesh wound, after looking carefully at the diagram, figuring out what I would do, and then starting to post my reply, I see that VIProfessor once again has stolen my idea.
I would try and cut the 6 to leave it on the end cushion and bring the cueball back two cushions behind the 9. I'm gonna try real hard to get that white ball behind the 9, because I think there's a real premium here for getting BIH on the 6.
If I happen to get BIH on the 6 I would seriously consider running into the 7 while pocketing the 6 (especially if it's a tight table), to get the 7 away from the rail and make position on the 8 easier.
After that I'm likely playing shape for the 8 in the corner opposite where the 9 is, unless I get very fortunate to get perfect shape on the 7 so that I can just roll the cueball over for a near straight-in on the 8 in the other corner. Playing for that corner would take perfect shape though, so I would have to be close to that side already and have something like a simple short follow on the 7 in the side for shape on the 8 to attempt that.
The third option on the 8 would be the cross-side bank, but I prefer the first option.
That's because you learned all your ideas from playing me constantly back in the day.
I hope you and Cornerman have a good laugh at this one because we all know that while I had started to develop a little firepower, safety play and playing the percentages simply was not a strong part of my game back in '87-'90. When it's all said and done, there's nothing like being in the box with those smart, grimy NY players like Ginky and Spanish Pete to have percentage play drilled into your head!