9-Ball Rules Question

ChrisinNC said:
A player has ball-in-hand. The 6 ball is sitting roughly one ball’s width off the side rail a foot from the corner pocket. The player is shooting at the 4 ball, which is also over near the same side rail. The player sets the cue ball down between the 6 ball and the cushion, obviously checking if there’s enough clearance to pocket the 4-ball past the 6 ball into that corner.

My understanding of the rules is if he had pulled another object ball out of a pocket to measure that distance, it would’ve clearly been a foul. However, since he had cue ball in hand he could claim that he was just considering a possible place to set the cue ball for the upcoming shot, so it is not a foul. Opinions?
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Simple rule: You're not allowed to use anything to measure. Obviously that includes any ball and any device.
 
ShootingArts said:
Some rule changes a few years back allow releasing of the stick with it laying on the table and measuring with whatever you have on hand, a ball not in play, chalk, a stick, your hand, all legal. I forget who made that rule change and being a recreational player or gambler I just don't care. Measuring with anything but your eyeball is a foul playing me, your eyeball too if you have a glass eye!

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I think APA just changed a rule to allow you to mark the rail for aiming, but I have not heard any non-league changes to rules about measuring.
 
9Ballr said:
Simple rule: You're not allowed to use anything to measure. Obviously that includes any ball and any device.
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That doesn’t address the question of when someone has ball-in-hand and is considering different places he might want to place the cue ball at to play his shot, in which case he could at least get the cue ball close enough between an object ball and the cushion to determine if there is possible clearance for a ball to go through. If he claims he was considering locations to place the cue ball at to play his shot from, I’m not sure how you could call it a foul.
 
ChrisinNC said:
A player has ball-in-hand. The 6 ball is sitting roughly one ball’s width off the side rail a foot from the corner pocket. The player is shooting at the 4 ball, which is also over near the same side rail. The player sets the cue ball down between the 6 ball and the cushion, obviously checking if there’s enough clearance to pocket the 4-ball past the 6 ball into that corner.

My understanding of the rules is if he had pulled another object ball out of a pocket to measure that distance, it would’ve clearly been a foul. However, since he had cue ball in hand he could claim that he was just considering a possible place to set the cue ball for the upcoming shot, so it is not a foul. Opinions?
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Arbitrary...
 
hang-the-9 said:
I think APA just changed a rule to allow you to mark the rail for aiming, but I have not heard any non-league changes to rules about measuring.
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My APA career lasted 3 matches and then my handicap was too high for me to be useful to the team. IMO allowing someone to mark the rail is BS.
 
ChrisinNC said:
I have never played APA but I find it extremely hard to believe that is true.
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No it’s real. You can set a piece of chalk on the hard part of the rail as an aiming device.
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AF pool guy said:
No it’s real. You can set a piece of chalk on the hard part of the rail as an aiming device.
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Amazing - I assume the main reason for that is an attempt to eliminate conflicts, much like the requirement to place a marker by the pocket you plan to pocket the 8 ball in.
 
ChrisinNC said:
That rule addresses nothing about using a cue ball for measurement purposes, which I don’t believe is allowed.
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It says exactly what you were asking. You can place the cue ball anywhere on the playing surface and then move it after until a legal shot is executed. Anywhere to me means that you can see if a ball fits through a gap or not.

I have never considered this a foul because you have an advantage of being able to place the CB where ever you want in the situation of BIH.

I get that other measurement is not allowed, pocketed OB, chalk, hands, cues, etc. but if you have ball in hand, you should be able to put the CB anywhere on the table without restriction.
 
ChrisinNC said:
That doesn’t address the question of when someone has ball-in-hand and is considering different places he might want to place the cue ball at to play his shot, in which case he could at least get the cue ball close enough between an object ball and the cushion to determine if there is possible clearance for a ball to go through. If he claims he was considering locations to place the cue ball at to play his shot from, I’m not sure how you could call it a foul.
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If the guy is placing the cue ball where the is no viable shot then it would have to be measuring. On the other hand, if I am placing the cue ball in a tight spot that I want to play from I am looking at the space as I place the cue ball so I'm sort of measuring. Off the top of my head, the only situation I can think of is if my desired object ball is directly between another ball and the pocket and very close to 1 ball diameter away.
 
Benward452 said:
It says exactly what you were asking. You can place the cue ball anywhere on the playing surface and then move it after until a legal shot is executed. Anywhere to me means that you can see if a ball fits through a gap or not.

I have never considered this a foul because you have an advantage of being able to place the CB where ever you want in the situation of BIH.

I get that other measurement is not allowed, pocketed OB, chalk, hands, cues, etc. but if you have ball in hand, you should be able to put the CB anywhere on the table without restriction.
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You can't, it's in the using objects to measure rule. There is 0 difference with using a cueball and anything else to measure with. The only advantage you have is with making the shot. Using objects to measure space rule does not get paused while someone has ball in hand.
 
ChrisinNC said:
Amazing - I assume the main reason for that is an attempt to eliminate conflicts, much like the requirement to place a marker by the pocket you plan to pocket the 8 ball in.
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The APA seems to be filled with 13 yr olds that can't find a way to understand the standard rules of pool or what sportsmanship is. Every time I see some odd APA rule it just makes me think that whoever runs the thing does not have a very high regard for the players that join their leagues LOL
 
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