9 Ball Situation (11) - What would you do here?

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Playing 9-ball, you are facing this layout.

1, What is a good shot for C/D player?
2, What are some possible safeties?
3, Any 2 wei shots?
4, What would a professional player do?

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I'd try to cut the 5-ball to the left with stun. CB just missing the 9 ball and going toward the 8-ball, for a possible safe and for a makable shot on the 6.

Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
I'd try to cut the 5-ball to the left with stun. CB just missing the 9 ball and going toward the 8-ball, for a possible safe and for a makable shot on the 6.

Colin
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Are we looking at the same shot? You lost me with that one!

I would cut the 5 between 8 and pocket at speed/ angle to place it as clos as possible to 6, playing carom on the 9...
 
Tough spot to win from.

I would probably steal the "up" money when the player is in the bathroom and his backer is asleep in his chair. :p


Eric >not that THAT hasn't happened
 
Eric. said:
Tough spot to win from.

I would probably steal the "up" money when the player is in the bathroom and his backer is asleep in his chair. :p


Eric >not that THAT hasn't happened
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I would over cut the 5 into the long rail make it come and hit the 8 and send the cb two rail under the 9 to the top rail. make him play a 9 foot safety back.
 
This is what I would do:

cut the 5 into the first diamond so it'll come out next to 8ball and send the CB down table, I think it's a good shot for any skill player as it only requires center hit. you can over power it as the 8ball will keep the 5 on the top rail.

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I tried this shot about a dozen times with the same result. If you shoot the CB with a level stroke high center and aim at hitting the first diamond to the left of the 8 the CB will miss the 9 <due to the high english, and go two rails behind it. Because you will be close to the back of the 9 the safe coverage will be wide. The 5 should hit the head rail, the side rail and come up past the side pocket. Opponent will have to play the length of the table kick to hit the 5.


What do you think?
 
How fast is the table?
Bar Box or 9'

Either way I would play for the run out.

cut the 5 in the lower corner pocket and go around the 9 with the CB.

In a real fast table (like at Metro in PHX) I would play the 6 with straight top to go long around the 9 all the way down to the end rail and back up toward the 6.. (it sounds crazy I know, but the way the rails play on that tale and as fast as the table it is a farily easy shape)

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May not be the right play...but that is what I would attempt

EDIT: I would do the same thing as a C/D player...chances are if you miss it will be an overcut and the CB ends up in the same spot and the 5 ends up on the short rail next to the 8-ball
 
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cut the 5 to the bottom cushion (left side of the 8) off and stop to where the 6 is, while leaving the CB on the bottom rail (right side of the 8). the 5 must be off angle, near the 6 and resting on the rail inorder to avoid the possibility of a bank or an aligned combo (which is risky anyway).

for a pro, almost same principle except that the CB will be off from the bottom cushion to the right side cushion behind the 9, using top outside english. oh and the 5 must not be clustered to the 6 (just near the left cushion hiding between the CB and the 9), inorder to leave you an open table if your opponent fouls and gives you a BIH.
 
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That's what I'm talking about.

I would also try to make the 5 an 6 in the same pocket going out of the corner after the 5. you really don't have to worry about a scratch if you make the 5 clean. plus it sets you up with a good angle from the 6 to the 8.

I'm not saying that I would make it... It's just what I would try to do:D
 
BRKNRUN said:
How fast is the table?
Bar Box or 9'

Either way I would play for the run out.

cut the 5 in the lower corner pocket and go around the 9 with the CB.

In a real fast table (like at Metro in PHX) I would play the 6 with straight top to go long around the 9 all the way down to the end rail and back up toward the 6.. (it sounds crazy I know, but the way the rails play on that tale and as fast as the table it is a farily easy shape)

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May not be the right play...but that is what I would attempt

EDIT: I would do the same thing as a C/D player...chances are if you miss it will be an overcut and the CB ends up in the same spot and the 5 ends up on the short rail next to the 8-ball
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I believe this shot is possible and there is no real risk of a scratch here since the OB and CB are not aligned in a way (CB perpendicular to the 5, meaning CB must be moved slightly to the left side) where the CB will go directly inside the right corner pocket.

I did not consider this shot at first since I was worried that the CB might scratch. but giving it a second look, it really seems safe and it passes through. tnx ;)

geez, these illustrations are getting us cross-eyed. :D :D :D
 
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#1 for a c,d player..half ball hit for ease of judging where each will go ....5 ball undercut bank off the head rail to side rail by 6 ball and cue ball over by or behind the 9
#2 safety ...same as above
#3 Play the 5 and carom in the 9 ...ridem cowboy
#4 I assume same as #1 only get the snooker

td
 
Hi, thanks for the great ideas! :)

For running out, so far everyone has the same idea: shooting it to the lower left corner, cb travels 3 rails for the 6. bravo!

For safety plays, it looks like we have 4 different options here. Which one do you like the best and why? Please feel free to redraw any of them if you think the drawings are not accurate enough ;)

(4 pages, use the page arrows in the lower right to navigate)

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Black-Balled said:
Are we looking at the same shot? You lost me with that one!
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I don't know what you see, but what I mean is to cut the 5 in the corner near the 8-ball. The tangent angle takes the CB just past the 9 ball, off the rail and toward a safeish position near the 8-ball.

If you make the 5-ball. Should be a 60+% shot imo. then youshould have a decent shot on the 6 ball up the rail, drawing back to the 8 ball.

Can't do the diagram at the moment. Wei table seems to crash my browser.

Colin
 
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4, What would a professional player do?
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Not sure about any other professional, but i'm pretty sure Souquet would play the following...even if it was hill-hill in the semifinals of the world championships. :thumbup:

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jsp said:
Not sure about any other professional, but i'm pretty sure Souquet would play the following...even if it was hill-hill in the semifinals of the world championships. :thumbup:

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This shot is doable from this position, though difficult. I might go for it depending on how well I thought I was hitting them. Much depends on how far off the cushion the cueball is, because I want a solid bridge to attempt this shot.

I would not play to go below the side pocket (same side as the 6) though, since the risk of scratching is too great. I doubt very much that I would have that much cueball control anyway. I'd be happy to pocket the 5 and get off the side cushion across the table for any decent shot on the 6.
 
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Hope i did this right...
I posted this in the beginning. If you hit the CB high center the 5 will follow the line that I laid out. This is for a C/D player right? I don't think that level of player could consistently make the 5. Sorry. No disrespect but I really don't think the odds are good for a C/D to make the shot. A good safe will give you another opportunity to shot at the 5. The reason I chose this shot s 1- the hit on the 8 is about 1/2 a ball width. Not to difficult to hit. 2- the CB naturally flows over to the corner side behind the nine. Three leaves a full table kick for the opponent. Not an easy return. 4- If you hit it light it will leave both balls on opposite side rails. If you hit it hard the 5 will travel up the rail adn the CB will travel to the opposite side leaving a rail cut up the side of the table. It always comes down to the right speed and position but I will always consider percentage as well. Consider the amount of area that gets blocked out by putting the CB behind the 9. From the second diamond from the 6 all the way up to the second diamond from the head string. That is a wide margin of error for the placement of the 6.
Waadaya think?
 
just about a said:
I would over cut the 5 into the long rail make it come and hit the 8 and send the cb two rail under the 9 to the top rail. make him play a 9 foot safety back.
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Probably the safest option on the table. The runout is an option but it's a tough shot and who knows what you leave your opponent if you miss. If I'm just goofing around I go for the runout. In a tournament I probably do what you suggested.
 
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