90 deg cut shot

iusedtoberich

iusedtoberich

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Your friend's shot looks like a direct cut shot, maybe with the cue ball a little off the table when it hits the object ball. He hit it really hard.

The position I was playing from: The OB is on the spot. The cue ball is centered in the corner pocket about 6 inches from the brink. I shoot with max outside and a little below center to spin the ball in. You can tell how hard I hit the ball by the cue ball coming back after it hits long-short-long. The actual cut angle for the shot I made in the "Take Five" video was 93 to 94 degrees.

I think this shot is a "half-hour shot" -- however many tries you can do in half an hour is about even money.

For those who don't do FB for religious reasons, here is the shot on YouTube:

 
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I've seen Jim Rempe cut balls backwards off the spot with the cue ball sitting in the side pocket. He set it up and did it again.
 
Pretty steep cut.
Prop bet shot with a ton of tries.
But no one is flying at this in a game unless they are high.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Your friend's shot looks like a direct cut shot, maybe with the cue ball a little off the table when it hits the object ball. He hit it really hard.

The position I was playing from: The OB is on the spot. The cue ball is centered in the corner pocket about 6 inches from the brink. I shoot with max outside and a little below center to spin the ball in. You can tell how hard I hit the ball by the cue ball coming back after it hits long-short-long. The actual cut angle for the shot I made in the "Take Five" video was 93 to 94 degrees.

I think this shot is a "half-hour shot" -- however many tries you can do in half an hour is about even money.

For those who don't do FB for religious reasons, here is the shot on YouTube:

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He looks like he hit it a harder than you, and his OB seemed to go slower. His also looks like the CB was less of a cut shot by about half a ball width, judging from the starting point of the CB. I didn't see it in person, just on the video.

If my observation is right, how come there is a difference between your shot and his?

I know the table and balls. Its 860HR recovered about 3 weeks ago, and the balls are daily polished Aramith Tournament set. Standard Diamond pro-cut pockets. IDK if any doctoring was done such as a chalk mark on the contact point.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The actual cut angle for the shot I made in the "Take Five" video was 93 to 94 degrees.
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I presume this is the maximum cut angle for pocketing shots.
If the object ball is frozen to the rail, would the maximum cut angle for pocketing be 90 degrees using inside english and hitting the cushion first?

I wrote that before finding another Bob Jewett video of a 100-degree shot of a frozen ball at the short rail at
kingwang said:
How do the physics of this shot work?
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There is some discussion of the physics in the comments to the YouTube video at one of the videos mentioned above and at this link . Poster bushputz mentions
Think of the balls being covered in gears or velcro. The outside english causes the cue ball to 'grab' the object ball slightly and throw it just a bit to the right.​
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HubertandClyde disagreed and claimed:
You can throw balls more than three degrees if you hit the object ball more full. Because of the thin cut it is impossible to throw it that much. Because of friction it is actually going to drag the object ball out, the outside english will correct that, but not throw it back an extra 3 degrees.​
Then Bob commented that there may have been some chalk on the balls allowing better bite for throw.
 
Paul_#_ said:
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If the object ball is frozen to the rail, would the maximum cut angle for pocketing be 90 degrees using inside english and hitting the cushion first?

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The frozen to the rail shot is not a cut shot, its a kick shot. Any C player can make the shot in Bob's rail first video. I used to make it all the time when I was 19 and half the speed I am now. It can be made at way more a severe angle.
 
iusedtoberich said:
The frozen to the rail shot is not a cut shot, its a kick shot. Any C player can make the shot in Bob's rail first video. I used to make it all the time when I was 19 and half the speed I am now. It can be made at way more a severe angle.
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If the angle is harder, you need used cloth to get the side spin to take well. The standard shot has the cue ball on the head spot. Mizerak used to shoot it with the CB up on the name plate.
 
iusedtoberich said:
.. If my observation is right, how come there is a difference between your shot and his? ...
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I used outside to throw the ball into the pocket. The object ball was a little dirty. :devilish:

I have seen the OB cut at a 110-degree angle twice, but it only traveled a foot or so. In the "Take Five" video, I overcut one of the tries.
 
iusedtoberich said:
The frozen to the rail shot is not a cut shot, its a kick shot. Any C player can make the shot in Bob's rail first video. I used to make it all the time when I was 19 and half the speed I am now. It can be made at way more a severe angle.
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Show him some respect. The Any C player is a hyperbole at best.
 
u12armresl said:
Show him some respect. The Any C player is a hyperbole at best.
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I think the 100-degree "cut" in the video is a stretch for C players, but the standard 90-degree cut from the head spot is within range. Maybe a little coaching would be needed. Some C players avoid spinning the ball.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think the 100-degree "cut" in the video is a stretch for C players, but the standard 90-degree cut from the head spot is within range. Maybe a little coaching would be needed. Some C players avoid spinning the ball.
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Just saying any C player is being an ass.
 
Bob Jewett said:
If the angle is harder, you need used cloth to get the side spin to take well. The standard shot has the cue ball on the head spot. Mizerak used to shoot it with the CB up on the name plate.
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Yeah, we used to shoot it with the CB on top of the nameplate, on the wood rail (not on the cloth). And I "think" the OB was over further, 1 diamond away from the opposite corner pocket. Take 30 attempts and walk away with the dough. I might be mis-remembering the positions slightly. It was a gimme against an unsuspecting banger. And of course, the first prop bets would be much simpler angles.
 
u12armresl said:
Just saying any C player is being an ass.
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I'm telling you, about any player can make shots like that. At least with the CB on the spot, the direct 90 degree version, which is a bit easier than Bob's shot. Maybe by today's clocking system, the "C" I'm talking about would be a 500 fargorate on the nose player. I used to do it when I stunk way more than I do now.
 
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