# .900+ on the Diamond 10' table

#### Sloppy Pockets

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Watching these guys play on the Bigfoot, it's obvious that they are struggling a bit more than they would on a 9' table. And yet, Bustie is shooting .921 TPA and Ko is shooting .900 TPA. Any thoughts on how much harder the 10' is considered compared to the 9'? I'm looking for a factor that could be used to multiply the 10' TPA to see what the equivalent would be if played on a 9 footer.

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#### LIAKOS27

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What the difference from an 8ft to a 9ft! Give it an extra 20%!

#### PoolBum

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Busty is shooting .938 right now, up 9-7.

I'd equate a .938 on a 10-foot table to about a .975 on a 9 foot table.

#### PoolBum

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Busty runs his 4th rack after Ko scratched on the break four racks ago. Busty up 10-7 and shooting .943.

#### Sloppy Pockets

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Busty runs his 4th rack after Ko scratched on the break four racks ago. Busty up 10-7 and shooting .943.

With a 1.05 conversion factor, that would be like .990 on the 9'.

#### AtLarge

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With a 1.05 conversion factor, that would be like .990 on the 9'.

But he ended at .917. Maybe 4% - 5% higher TPA's on a 9-footer. I'll try to look at some historical numbers later.

#### Cardigan Kid

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according to Dr. Dave's charts for TDF - Table Difficulty Factor....

A typical Diamond 9' pro-cut pockets has a TDF of 1.07

If you change the table size to 10' with same pocket dimensions the TDF is 1.18 and considered "Very tough"

#### AtLarge

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according to Dr. Dave's charts for TDF - Table Difficulty Factor....

A typical Diamond 9' pro-cut pockets has a TDF of 1.07

If you change the table size to 10' with same pocket dimensions the TDF is 1.18 and considered "Very tough"

But 1.18 / 1.07 = 1.10.

If we used a 10% factor to inflate the 10-footer results, we'd get over 1.000 for anything on a 10-footer of .909 or higher.

TPA's in the .900's on a 10-footer aren't common, but they do exist. Three of last year's 30 TPA's in the Bigfoot were .900's (.932, .906, .957). One of 12 so far this year.

#### Sloppy Pockets

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But 1.18 / 1.07 = 1.10.

If we used a 10% factor to inflate the 10-footer results, we'd get over 1.000 for anything on a 10-footer of .909 or higher.

TPA's in the .900's on a 10-footer aren't common, but they do exist. Three of last year's 30 TPA's in the Bigfoot were .900's (.932, .906, .957). One of 12 so far this year.

Even at 1.05 you run into a problem if you are shooting better than .950. Right now Morra is playing .962, which would give him a 1.010 shooting average.

#### PoolBum

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Right now Morra is playing .962...

Yep, Morra is shooting a .963 right now and losing 8-4.

#### Sloppy Pockets

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Yep, Morra is shooting a .963 right now and losing 8-4.

Break stat is what's telling the tale of the match here. Morra - .200, Shaw - 1.000.

#### King T

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No surprise to me!!

Busty runs his 4th rack after Ko scratched on the break four racks ago. Busty up 10-7 and shooting .943.

I always laugh when people on this site say that Busty cant play with the big boys any more, he's old or past his prime.

If he is focused he is as good as anybody, even for the cash!!

#### PoolBum

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I always laugh when people on this site say that Busty cant play with the big boys any more, he's old or past his prime.

If he is focused he is as good as anybody, even for the cash!!

And tomorrow we get to see Busty versus Efren!

#### Corwyn_8

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Even at 1.05 you run into a problem if you are shooting better than .950. Right now Morra is playing .962, which would give him a 1.010 shooting average.

You have to decrease the losing percentage, not increase winning percentage, if I am understanding the problem correctly.

Thank you kindly.

#### King T

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Thx!

And tomorrow we get to see Busty versus Efren!

Didn't know that, thx!

#### Sloppy Pockets

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You have to decrease the losing percentage, not increase winning percentage, if I am understanding the problem correctly.

Thank you kindly.

Yes, I think that's the only way to make it work. Thanks.

#### Bbutler

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Maybe the 10-foot table is easier, not harder. Did anyone consider that?

The extra space gives the pros more room to maneuver the cue ball, leading to better position and fewer misses.

#### PoolBum

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Maybe the 10-foot table is easier, not harder. Did anyone consider that?

Yes. It's not.

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