A challenge
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Meezer Girl said:yeah - that guy is pretty impressed with himself isn't he
I'll have to go over there & see what he said to you
He wants me to apologize to him since nobody took him up on his offer.
He's not my favorite poster.
Attacks rather than discusses.
I have probably hit with as many or more cues than most people on this forum. When someone says that this cue or that cue has a great hit, or the best hit, or a monster hit then they are ONLY talking about their own PERSONAL experience with the cue. There is no cue made in a similar fashion that has such a distinct hit that it is easily identifiable by brand. I say similar fashion because you can tell an aluminum cue from a wooden one but not which brand of either.
HOWEVER, the fact is that some cues do "hit" (translation, perform) better than others on a personal level. Some cues - for whatever reason - just feel better and seem to be easier to control the cueball with.
John McChesney once wrote about an experiment where they taped over the joints of a bunch of cues and challenged anyone to correctly identify which ones has steel joints and which ones didn't. No one got it right.
I have played with cues that run the spectrum from ramin wood specials to cues made with the best wood and best care you can imagine. There is a difference. And I sure that there are some afficinados who could identify a lot of cues by the "hit" - could they do it with a lot of variables such as changed taper, ferrule, tip, etc..... probably not. Could they do 3 out of 30 random cues? Probably not.
Could they do 3 out of 30 cues they were very familiar with? I am sure of it.
In Germany there is (was) a show called Wetten Das? Translation "Would you bet?" On that show there are often people who claim that they can identify things by sound, taste, or feel. One guy claimed he could get ten of ten brands of crackers right just by hearing how they snapped. They picked ten brands from like 20 and he got them all right. I saw plenty of people on that show do things like this.
The point that the original poster is making is clear - that there isn't enough difference to make claims of general superiority in the "hit" of one brand of cues over another. Nor is it enough to have any particular brand stand out from the rest and be indentifiable by it's "hit" alone.
I think however that we should all be able to agree that a poorly constructed cue will have a hit that is inferior to one that is well constructed.
HOWEVER, the fact is that some cues do "hit" (translation, perform) better than others on a personal level. Some cues - for whatever reason - just feel better and seem to be easier to control the cueball with.
John McChesney once wrote about an experiment where they taped over the joints of a bunch of cues and challenged anyone to correctly identify which ones has steel joints and which ones didn't. No one got it right.
I have played with cues that run the spectrum from ramin wood specials to cues made with the best wood and best care you can imagine. There is a difference. And I sure that there are some afficinados who could identify a lot of cues by the "hit" - could they do it with a lot of variables such as changed taper, ferrule, tip, etc..... probably not. Could they do 3 out of 30 random cues? Probably not.
Could they do 3 out of 30 cues they were very familiar with? I am sure of it.
In Germany there is (was) a show called Wetten Das? Translation "Would you bet?" On that show there are often people who claim that they can identify things by sound, taste, or feel. One guy claimed he could get ten of ten brands of crackers right just by hearing how they snapped. They picked ten brands from like 20 and he got them all right. I saw plenty of people on that show do things like this.
The point that the original poster is making is clear - that there isn't enough difference to make claims of general superiority in the "hit" of one brand of cues over another. Nor is it enough to have any particular brand stand out from the rest and be indentifiable by it's "hit" alone.
I think however that we should all be able to agree that a poorly constructed cue will have a hit that is inferior to one that is well constructed.
I think that you would need to let them play with the cues prior to masking them off.
Let someone play with all thirty cues knowing what they are and then disguise what they are and see if they can describe them.
I think that even among individual cue makers, the cues havea slightly different feel and many of the cuemakers out there have a cue that has a similar feel to another cuemakers.
I'm not volunteering for this by any stretch of the imagination, just making a suggestion.
Jaden
Let someone play with all thirty cues knowing what they are and then disguise what they are and see if they can describe them.
I think that even among individual cue makers, the cues havea slightly different feel and many of the cuemakers out there have a cue that has a similar feel to another cuemakers.
I'm not volunteering for this by any stretch of the imagination, just making a suggestion.
Jaden
exactly
and start right out with the name calling - I think he needs to figure out why his is such a bitter person and then resolve it
I'm not a member over there but just lurk it out - which doesn't take long because there's not much going on there
hondo said:
and start right out with the name calling - I think he needs to figure out why his is such a bitter person and then resolve it
I'm not a member over there but just lurk it out - which doesn't take long because there's not much going on there
Meezer Girl said:and start right out with the name calling - I think he needs to figure out why his is such a bitter person and then resolve it
I'm not a member over there but just lurk it out - which doesn't take long because there's not much going on there
Well, there are some good people on the NPF and I enjoy going
there from time to time.
Like you said, not much going on in the main forum.
You know what I find funny? When people say that x-brand cue is WAY better and has a much better hit than Y-Brand cue and I know for a fact that both cues are made on the same line in the exact same manner using the same techniques and woods. I have to bite my tongue a lot because I know which brands are coming from the same place.
Hondo, I have no idea what the debate is about other than guessing that someone is claiming to be able to identify cues by the hit.
I have to say that it would take an extraordinary amount of experience to be able to do it. We once had Falcon make us some "Instroke" cues and as I sold them around Germany many people commented that they felt like Falcon cues, at which point I told them that Falcon made the cues. However Falcon and Bear Cues (made by Falcon) were pretty common around Germany at the time so it's no wonder that many folks could identify the hit of those cues.
I think that there are many people who could tell a Schon from a Southwest by the hit if you offered up those two brands with the cue taped over. However if you threw a Coker, and a Runde, and a Nova in there then probably no single person on Earth could pick five from five without guessing even if they knew which brands were in the mix. Without knowing the brands I'd bet that the guesses would be all over the place.
I would guess that someone like Joe Salazar would have more of a chance than any person who is not in the business of selling cues.
Hondo, I have no idea what the debate is about other than guessing that someone is claiming to be able to identify cues by the hit.
I have to say that it would take an extraordinary amount of experience to be able to do it. We once had Falcon make us some "Instroke" cues and as I sold them around Germany many people commented that they felt like Falcon cues, at which point I told them that Falcon made the cues. However Falcon and Bear Cues (made by Falcon) were pretty common around Germany at the time so it's no wonder that many folks could identify the hit of those cues.
I think that there are many people who could tell a Schon from a Southwest by the hit if you offered up those two brands with the cue taped over. However if you threw a Coker, and a Runde, and a Nova in there then probably no single person on Earth could pick five from five without guessing even if they knew which brands were in the mix. Without knowing the brands I'd bet that the guesses would be all over the place.
I would guess that someone like Joe Salazar would have more of a chance than any person who is not in the business of selling cues.
Do you ever Kid???????
From what I can tell from watching your posts, it's like you expect everyone to think you're always kidding, but it seems that you never are?
What's the deal with that????
Jaden
p.s. sorry, not trying to derail the thread.
AnitoKid said:Am subscribing to this very interesting thread!
And I kid you not!
From what I can tell from watching your posts, it's like you expect everyone to think you're always kidding, but it seems that you never are?
What's the deal with that????
Jaden
p.s. sorry, not trying to derail the thread.
This is interesting, I will be visiting a friend in WV hopefully in the next 2 months, How about you tell me the names of the 30 cues up front disguise them however you wish then I shoot. Now I have asked for a little weight in knowing which 30 I'm working with so in return I will attempt to name 5 out of the 30. I would be more interested in $250 against $2500 and 2 or three attempts with varying 30 cue sets. To help you in proving the point that you are proving WELL I would be hoping to win more on sound, butt diameter, shaft length and balance point then I would on hit. While I agree with the point you are making there are exceptions if I have a Mucci and a Joss West as my only examples telling which is which would be easy in most cases. If you had a Bender, Southwest, Omega DPK, and a Kersonbrock then of course the task would be next to impossible. Cool thread.