A Curious CTE Diagram

cookie man said:
But then again if you watch SVB, AND NO I AM NOT IN ANY WAY IMPLYING THAT HE USES CTE, he has all the characteristics. He stands way inside the shot line, he always brings his cue in from the side. he can't help but have a slight head turn from that position. All CTE characteristics that you guys say mess everything up.
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Whatever SVB does he does because it works for him.

But can you say that if you carefully examined what he does he's adhering to all of SS's Pro1 tenets? Or is he superficially doing stuff that vaguely looks the same as Pro1. And what about other players? Suppose you told 20 other pros to change what they do and do what SVD does? Do you really think that's going to work for all or even significant percentage of them? Or will they try and say, "Not for me" and go back to what is different but works for them?

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Whatever SVB does he does because it works for him.

But can you say that if you carefully examined what he does he's adhering to all of SS's Pro1 tenets? Or is he superficially doing stuff that vaguely looks the same as Pro1. And what about other players? Suppose you told 20 other pros to change what they do and do what SVD does? Do you really think that's going to work for all or even significant percentage of them? Or will they try and say, "Not for me" and go back to what is different but works for them?

Lou Figueroa
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Yes definitely SVB does what works for him. He does not to my knowledge use any part of CTE. My post was made to contradict yours and others thoughts that CTE puts your body all out of whack because that’s just not true. Yes he shows characteristics of what Stan describes in his CTE teachings.
 
Dan White said:
We need someone like boogieman or Lou to open up his copy and find out how to calibrate the head tilt.
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Poke it out til it looks right, it's not rocket surgery. Trust the eyes, it either looks right or it doesn't. Play with it a bit, more tilt (turn really, not tilt) less tilt, one spot will look right. You know sometimes when a shot looks off? It won't look off if you're looking at it right, and this has nothing to do with CTE.
 
cookie man said:
Yes definitely SVB does what works for him. He does not to my knowledge use any part of CTE. My post was made to contradict yours and others thoughts that CTE puts your body all out of whack because that’s just not true. Yes he shows characteristics of what Stan describes in his CTE teachings.
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My point was that it could easily throw someone out of whack -- this is the problem when you have a system based upon different sight and/or perception lines and a PSR to preserve those, and try to apply them universally to all players.

Tons of high speed players look nothing like SVS shooting, so to me that clearly shows they have a different approach that works well for them. And the second you have them trying to impersonated SVB there's going to be a problem because otherwise all pool player would look exactly the same at the table.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
My point was that it could easily throw someone out of whack -- this is the problem when you have a system based upon different sight and/or perception lines and a PSR to preserve those, and try to apply them universally to all players.

Tons of high speed players look nothing like SVS shooting, so to me that clearly shows they have a different approach that works well for them. And the second you have them trying to impersonated SVB there's going to be a problem because otherwise all pool player would look exactly the same at the table.

Lou Figueroa
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nd my point remains that your argument has no merit. I know of no one, and I know quite a few CTE players that have been thrown out of whack. I also don’t know any poology players ghostball players contact point players that have been thrown out of whack.

Your reaching with this argument because the fact remains that you actually know very little about CTE as it stands today.
 
lfigueroa said:
Whatever SVB does he does because it works for him.

But can you say that if you carefully examined what he does he's adhering to all of SS's Pro1 tenets? Or is he superficially doing stuff that vaguely looks the same as Pro1. And what about other players? Suppose you told 20 other pros to change what they do and do what SVD does? Do you really think that's going to work for all or even significant percentage of them? Or will they try and say, "Not for me" and go back to what is different but works for them?

Lou Figueroa
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If those 20 other pros are having success and are satisfied with what they're doing, it would be pretty dumb of them to change to something else, in my opinion. They would probably say..."not for me and go right back to what is different but works for them".
Mr. Shuffett's book and teachings are for those players who are NOT satisfied with what they're doing. The cover of the book plainly states...."Using CTE Pro One to improve your pool game".
Nothing more...nothing less.
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cookie man said:
Doe


That’s very odd and also wrong imo that you think a system user doesn’t get direct feedback from shots. Just shows that you don’t have enough knowledge and playing time with them. For example the new CTE user would know that a miss probably occurred because he used an inside instead of outside pivot. Very correctable
As a system user we still gain all the necessary knowledge from each shot.
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Oh I won't pretend to be a student of CTE. I tried on the tee shirt, but it wasn't to my taste.

Forgive the generality, but typically systems provide some level of predetermined alignment/aim for a given shot. So if I approach a shot that should require alignment 'A' according to the system and I miss. Then why did I miss..? I know it's alignment 'A'. So rise and repeat, unless I apply adjustment? ...so now I've deviated from the system....
 
cookie man said:
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nd my point remains that your argument has no merit. I know of no one, and I know quite a few CTE players that have been thrown out of whack. I also don’t know any poology players ghostball players contact point players that have been thrown out of whack.

Your reaching with this argument because the fact remains that you actually know very little about CTE as it stands today.
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Wait a minute.

I have purchased "the book" and have read through it. How can you say I "actually know very little about CTE as it stands today"? The book is supposedly the stone tablets from the mount. Basically you're saying that someone who buys and reads the book will end up knowing, "very little about CTE" which is a pretty wild argument to make at this point.

Lou Figueroa
 
Low500 said:
If those 20 other pros are having success and are satisfied with what they're doing, it would be pretty dumb of them to change to something else, in my opinion. They would probably say..."not for me and go right back to what is different but works for them".
Mr. Shuffett's book and teachings are for those players who are NOT satisfied with what they're doing. The cover of the book plainly states...."Using CTE Pro One to improve your pool game".
Nothing more...nothing less.
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SS is saying in his book: my way is the way to shoot pool.

He is incredibly specific about how a player should look at the balls and get into shooting position. And his way, demonstrably, is not the way all the best players shoot. Which means it works for him but does not work for everyone else.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
SS is saying in his book: my way is the way to shoot pool.

He is incredibly specific about how a player should look at the balls and get into shooting position. And his way, demonstrably, is not the way all the best players shoot. Which means it works for him but does not work for everyone else.

Lou Figueroa
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So..???
Then if it doesn't work for somebody, then that somebody should forget about it and do something else, in my opinion.
 
JB Cases said:
That would be to establish a line and choose just to one side or the other. There is no measurement, the baseline is the established line. That's the objective constant. With an objective constant one can build consistent movements.
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So "just one side" is a fixed unit of measure? How many inches or mm is it?
 
lfigueroa said:
SS is saying in his book: my way is the way to shoot pool.

He is incredibly specific about how a player should look at the balls and get into shooting position. And his way, demonstrably, is not the way all the best players shoot. Which means it works for him but does not work for everyone else.

Lou Figueroa
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But I think Efren and Alison secretly do it. They learned what's called a "double blind disguised pivot." That's where they themselves don't even know they are doing it. Sounds like a joke but it gets said here on occasion that people are using CTE without knowing it.
 
Dan White said:
But I think Efren and Alison secretly do it. They learned what's called a "double blind disguised pivot." That's where they themselves don't even know they are doing it. Sounds like a joke but it gets said here on occasion that people are using CTE without knowing it.
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but you can't say some people are using the ghost ball without really knowing it .
If you are sending the cue ball to the vicinity where you think it would pocket the ob, that is ghost ball to me .
 
The_JV said:
Oh I won't pretend to be a student of CTE. I tried on the tee shirt, but it wasn't to my taste.

Forgive the generality, but typically systems provide some level of predetermined alignment/aim for a given shot. So if I approach a shot that should require alignment 'A' according to the system and I miss. Then why did I miss..? I know it's alignment 'A'. So rise and repeat, unless I apply adjustment? ...so now I've deviated from the system....
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With CTE if the alignment is right and the stroke is straight then you didn't miss. That's the whole point of the system.
 
JoeyInCali said:
but you can't say some people are using the ghost ball without really knowing it .
If you are sending the cue ball to the vicinity where you think it would pocket the ob, that is ghost ball to me .
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Yeah, I think "ghost ball" is a misnomer. I'm not aware of anyone who continues to imagine a ghost ball literally after a certain amount of time using the method. Eventually you get down on the shot and just know when it is on. Maybe that's when playing by ghost ball turns into playing "by feel."
 
lfigueroa said:
Wait a minute.

I have purchased "the book" and have read through it. How can you say I "actually know very little about CTE as it stands today"? The book is supposedly the stone tablets from the mount. Basically you're saying that someone who buys and reads the book will end up knowing, "very little about CTE" which is a pretty wild argument to make at this point.

Lou Figueroa
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Twisting words I see, much expected. YOUR POSTINGS HERE< AND ONLY YOUR POSTINGS HERE GIVE ME MY INFORMATION TO STATE THAT YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT CTE. I highly doubt though that you have read and studied the book in this short of time. So why not just be straight with us?
 
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