A first! Banned at high noon :-)

[ridewiththewind]

A. I didn't post anything here before the ban because it is NOT an us vs. them thing. It was an issue of whether it is RIGHT to take content without giving any credit and it was being discussed THERE where the issue was happening.

B. I wasn't there to stir up shit. I was pointing out a breech of netiquette that is also a copyright violation. Although no one really cares about the copyright issue here, me included, I just cared that Tom and Jim think it's okay to take content and not give credit.

C. The ONLY reason I posted this here is because I found it to be totally hypocritical given the reasons that section of that board was set up.
And given that there are in fact people here whose disdain for Jim Brennan equals or exceeds mine I felt it appropriate to share this prime example of HIS hypocrisy. My credibility resides in my posting history - all 11 years of it.

D. I didn't say anything about whether I deserved it or not. On any other board I am SURE that I deserved it. On that one, the self-proclaimed last bastion of free speech on pool-themed message boards I was shocked to find that they have limits to how much truth they can take.

And lastly, you're right, there isn't so much difference after all.

John, I am not trying to be right or wrong here......just a voice of reason....but that is part of my character. What can I say, I'm a Libra, and just really like balance...lol.

As to the issue at hand. It is my understanding, having been married to an artist, that unless a copyright disclaimer is expressly attached, there is no copyright infringement. That which is published in a public forum/arena, becomes public domain, unless that copyright disclaimer is attached. Now, I am not sure you are addressing the original list compiled, or the videos in question....or if the original compiler of the list is the contributor of the videos......I have not followed all the threads as closely...because, with my work schedule, computer time is limited these days.

As to YouTube......the reason that most, perhaps not all, but most, people post their videos to YouTube is in the hopes that they are viewed, and eventually, go 'viral'. They are free for the viewing. Since the poster on IP stated that he 'stole' the complied list, and was not making any monetary gain from the list, I do not see where the issue came from by not making a direct link to the original posters thread here. He was just sharing the information with members of another forum, without linking to this forum here. He was not taking credit for compiling the list. He just simply chose not to add the original AZ link.

What am I missing here?

Lisa

 

[Rich R.]

In the spirit of which it is intended I have decided to throw a little charity towards Jimbo. So I am donating a domain and message board to Jim Brennan to do with as he pleases.

The web address is www.iamanit.info (go on it's real)

Jim Brennan is the sole administrator there. Please go there and show him how much he is loved. He desperately needs your help to fill his board with content.

This is childish!

First of all, it is apparent that Jimbo didn't ban you from IP, yet you blame him. Jimbo is definitely no angle, and I will be the first to admit that, but he didn't ban you. Obviously, you and Jimbo have an ongoing battle and this is just an extension of that battle.

Now, you bring this crap to this forum, like a little kid running back to his friends to tell everyone what he has done.

You present yourself as this protector of internet truth, yet you admittedly create a web site, using Jimbo's screen name, Jimbo's avitar, and naming Jimbo as the soul moderator, when it is obvious that Jimbo has nothing to do with it. That isn't exactly honest.

It seems to me that you are doing nothing but stirring up trouble between internet forums, just like a little kid on the playground.
You were just "grounded" by one of the moderators on IP.

 

[georgeh]

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Happy Memorial Day..... Spend some time with the wife

Date the ban will be lifted: 05-30-2007, 03:00 AM"

I dared to challenge the king and was banned in the land of the "free".

This is what I got for calling a spade a spade when one of the members of Inside Pool Magazine's forum took Scaramouche's list of BCN videos and posted them there without giving AZ or Scaramouche any credit. And then the king of Jimboland condoned it and asked for more content theft. And I dared to challenge him.

So in the end - I was banned from the land where all is supposed to be fair game. I think that is one of my greatest accomplishments on any of these message boards ever. To confront them with their own hypocrisy and get shown the door as an answer.

That my friends is AWESOME!

This is the thread that did it - enjoy Jimboland, where crooks and thieves are welcome and honesty is abhorred.

And Jim, because I know you are reading this, thank you! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!! You can't imagine what this means to me. The ultimate proof of your hypocrisy.

I hope that you and your fellow "nit group" (your characterization) have a wonderful time. Come visit AZ and the other message boards when you need some good content for yours. No one will object when you steal it.

As for SacTown Tom, I didn't have a problem with you because I felt that you were just acting in good faith. But it turns out that you are just as much of an ass as Jim Brennan. Have a wonderful time enjoying all the content you can steal. We, the people who create, will be creating it for ourselves and can support leeches like you.

John, I went over to inside pool just to check out what you were talking about. It appears to me, after reading all the garbage that you went over there just to cause trouble and you got it.
Now you're here whining about it to cause more trouble. You're a sad little man.

gh

 

[georgeh]

John, I also meant to add, because you failed to mention it. Your snide remarks to Jack Justis in another thread on inside pool were uncalled for. You did apologize and so I'll give you that.

gh

 

[Jeff]

For the most part, most forums dedicated to the same topic, usually don't like links directing people to the competition. Even though 99% of the people on each forum know about "the other forum", it is like an unwritten rule you don't link to the "other forum".

I own a Rottweiler forum and I pretty much don't care if people link to stuff on other Rottweiler forums but I know of two or three other Rottweiler forum owners that will "quickly" remove any links to another Rottweiler forum and warn the poster not to do it again.

What if the poster on IP had said, "Look what I ran across on youtube"? Would you have said anything about it?

 

[classiccues]

You were just "grounded" by one of the moderators on IP.

In a place where there are "no rules". And no rules are enforced, until now.

JV

 

[ridewiththewind]

This is where I got confused, and why this particular thread caught my attention.....JimBo is not in the habit of 'banning' members. It was the whole premise for him setting up his little 'spot' on the net....a place where members could freely express their opinions without the fear of reprisals. Even tho' he and JB may not see eye to eye most times, banning JB is just not JimBo's way.

However, JimBo was granted that little 'spot' by the owner of IP.....and just like with Mike here....does have and own the right to ban someone as they feel warrant it.....it is what it is.

Lisa

 

[classiccues]

That's right Joe. The difference however is that a few people take sadistic pleasure in the way they insult someone on the net. Jim Brennan is one such person. You and I have had terrible arguments, Doug and I have had had terrible arguments but we never, and I mean never got to the point of taking pleasure in inflicting emotional pain.

Brennan is one sicko who actually gets off on it. And I don't care who thinks otherwise. If anyone reading this does not agree then I dare you to get into any kind of argument with him and see how fast it denigrates into personal insult hell. I dare you to reveal your true identity and see how fast he begins to rip into your life, completely avoiding whatever the topics are. Go ahead.

John,
I agree. Jim and I have had at it a few times.. it takes exactly 2 posts once he gets cornered to change the discussion to something totally irrelevant to the conversation, ie; personal attack or my affiliations. So you'll get no argument from me.

JV

 

[JAM]

In a place where there are "no rules". And no rules are enforced, until now.

The epitome of hypocrisy: In an act of hypocrisy, the aim is to condemn another person or people, not to condemn an act. To preach against an act of which one is oneself guilty, does not in itself constitute hypocrisy, even if one takes efforts to conceal one's behavior. It becomes hypocrisy when it involves verbal attacks or against perpetrators of the act which one practices oneself. Hypocrisy can be too, simply put, the pot calling the kettle black.

JAM

 

[JAM]

John,
I agree. Jim and I have had at it a few times.. it takes exactly 2 posts once he gets cornered to change the discussion to something totally irrelevant to the conversation, ie; personal attack or my affiliations. So you'll get no argument from me.

JV

And no argument from me either!

JAM

 

[ridewiththewind]

In a place where there are "no rules". And no rules are enforced, until now.

JV

Apparently, JImBo was outranked on this one. Love him or hate him....he was not the one who banned JB.

Lisa

 

[classiccues]

Very well said. Unfortunately, what brings enjoyment to many, as you state, can be EXTREMELY hurtful to others, especially when the words spewed from their fingertips are intentionally cruel and oftentimes untrue.

I get PTSD symptoms just thinking about RSB.

For a person to go out of their way and target well-intentioned posters with lies and disparaging words, time and time and time again for no reason other than to create excitement for readers, is sad. Giving them a platform to do it in is sick. JMHO, FWIW, and everybody has one.

JAM

Jam,
I never really read the you/Jimbo rants and I don't have to to know exactly how they unfolded. They go like all the other arguments. But there are still people who love train wrecks.
The worse part is the more you feed them, the fatter they get. Its like a tick, they take the blood till they cannot get no more than drop off. Once they digest it, they latch onto a new source and continue.
There will always be people who's sole enjoyment is to try to discredit by people who are established, because they have nothing positive to contribute on their own. When you have to build yourself up, by tearing down others, you need a new line of work.

JV

 

[classiccues]

Apparently, JImBo was outranked on this one. Love him or hate him....he was not the one who banned JB.

Lisa

Lisa,
Thats irrelevant. The "Jimbo" section clearly posts that there are no rules in the FAQ. You cannot say one thing and do another. Regardless of who it is.

JV

 

[1pRoscoe]

John, why did you register "over there" at the same time that Jim did receive his own forum? Why have you posted 213 times if you are filled with such anger of the postings of others?

The more I see your posts, the more I believe you are a true conspiracy theorist... Something is ALWAYS going on....

Such a travesty when someone didn't say thanks.... and it wasn't even supposed to be to you... so what's your stake in it?

 

[Jack Flanagan]

why don't they both put on the gloves and see who can last more than 1 round (both JB's)...

has nobody looked at the forum evolution(s) in the last few years ? RSB (sort of) begot AZ, AZ begot (because of a few bannings) billiard-talk.info and the JimBo section at IP,,,and if we visit the pool forums 5 years from now, there will be more dissatisfied, egotistical people starting a 'new' forum 'cause they didn't get their way on a previous forum.

J Barton's little snipe at JimBo (the tongue-in-cheek 'new' NIT forum) may well develop into the latest & greatest pool forum... , then both will have a new arguement.....JimBo, because the new forum took off and Barton claiming he 'made' the man by starting the forum...lol

"Like sands through the hourglass, so goes the days of our lives"


Is it not hypocritical to judge someone elses hypocrisy ?

 

[JAM]

Jam,
I never really read the you/Jimbo rants and I don't have to to know exactly how they unfolded. They go like all the other arguments. But there are still people who love train wrecks.
The worse part is the more you feed them, the fatter they get. Its like a tick, they take the blood till they cannot get no more than drop off. Once they digest it, they latch onto a new source and continue.
There will always be people who's sole enjoyment is to try to discredit by people who are established, because they have nothing positive to contribute on their own. When you have to build yourself up, by tearing down others, you need a new line of work.

JV

Spoken like a veteran poster!

JAM

 

[John Barton]

John, why did you register "over there" at the same time that Jim did receive his own forum? Why have you posted 213 times if you are filled with such anger of the postings of others?

The more I see your posts, the more I believe you are a true conspiracy theorist... Something is ALWAYS going on....

Such a travesty when someone didn't say thanks.... and it wasn't even supposed to be to you... so what's your stake in it?

Um I don't think I did register there when he got the forum. I think it was several weeks or months later I am not sure. But it doesn't matter because my VERY first post there was a peaceful one that acknowledged Jim Brennan's notoriety in the Pool Forum World. And my subsequent posts were also peaceful and ON TOPIC with NO mention of AZ or past history.

It wasn't UNTIL I said something that Jim DISAGREED with that he launched into me with his brand of psycho-violence. His VERY first post ADDRESSED to me was highly insulting. So like I always say, my record speaks for itself. If am wrong the I say I am wrong.

I am not filled with anger at people's postings. I am sometimes incensed at what I consider to be particularly bad form. And sometimes that motivates me to say something about it. Most of the postings there are in repsonse to Jim Brennan's wickedness. The others are generally thoughtful discussions with other people who are quite reasonable and pleasant to deal with.

As for not providing the thanks - yeah, that was pretty much it. I was and still am pissed off that they think it's perfectly ok to rip off content and not even say thanks.

Conspiracy theorist? Don't you know something IS always going on. All of these forums are run by the goverment to keep us docile and arguing about the past while they steal the future, run man run while you still can!!!

My stake is that it's cheap entertainment to discuss things rather than go out to mindless movies or bore myself to death watching television.

 

[John Barton]

This is where I got confused, and why this particular thread caught my attention.....JimBo is not in the habit of 'banning' members. It was the whole premise for him setting up his little 'spot' on the net....a place where members could freely express their opinions without the fear of reprisals. Even tho' he and JB may not see eye to eye most times, banning JB is just not JimBo's way.

However, JimBo was granted that little 'spot' by the owner of IP.....and just like with Mike here....does have and own the right to ban someone as they feel warrant it.....it is what it is.

Lisa

And this is another issue I have with Jim. As I have said to him many times if he really had courage then he wouldn't ride JR's coattails, he would get his own forum where no one can outrank him. He made a BIG deal by saying that JR PROMISED him that no one would get banned. You see where that went.

At least here Wilson gives you a warning and a REASON why you are getting banned. I don't argue that they have a right to do whatever is legal on their forum. I merely point out the glaring inconsistencies between Jimbo's promise and reality.

I hold Jim responisble for the banning because it WAS in his power to not have it happen. How? By getting his own forum that he controls 100%. Since he chose to take the easy way and place himself under someone else's thumb then he is also responisble when they don't keep his promises to his members. And yes, I am one of JIMBO's members at IPM, I don't post to any other part of the board. And I don't mince words because of HIS promise.

 

[DaveK]

For the most part, most forums dedicated to the same topic, usually don't like links directing people to the competition. Even though 99% of the people on each forum know about "the other forum", it is like an unwritten rule you don't link to the "other forum".

http://www.insidepoolmag.com/forums/pool-billiard-discussion-forum/1660-some-food-thought.html

It's happened before and it will happen again. People with little of their own creativity or initiative wil be stealing ideas and work from others forever. It's too bad they can't acknowledge the real creative or industrious folks. I'm with John on this one.

Dave

 

[Ktown D]

A. I didn't post anything here before the ban because it is NOT an us vs. them thing. It was an issue of whether it is RIGHT to take content without giving any credit and it was being discussed THERE where the issue was happening.

B. I wasn't there to stir up shit. I was pointing out a breech of netiquette that is also a copyright violation. Although no one really cares about the copyright issue here, me included, I just cared that Tom and Jim think it's okay to take content and not give credit.

C. The ONLY reason I posted this here is because I found it to be totally hypocritical given the reasons that section of that board was set up.
And given that there are in fact people here whose disdain for Jim Brennan equals or exceeds mine I felt it appropriate to share this prime example of HIS hypocrisy. My credibility resides in my posting history - all 11 years of it.

D. I didn't say anything about whether I deserved it or not. On any other board I am SURE that I deserved it. On that one, the self-proclaimed last bastion of free speech on pool-themed message boards I was shocked to find that they have limits to how much truth they can take.

And lastly, you're right, there isn't so much difference after all.

I just thought of something that seems to be very similar. A couple of months ago I saw some info on a female player named Shanelle Loraine and being the borderline perv that I am I made a post about it on IP since the pic and the info came from IP's mainpage. I had a few replies on that site and, low and behold, a post emerges on this site with very similar content.

This is practically the same situation but since the info went from there to here I didn't hear anyone crying foul. That seems kind of hypocritical to me. I personally couldn't give a sh*t because I really don't see the reason for the uproar. Just wanted to make sure you knew that it happens over here as well. I realize this could be a coincidence but probably not.

I just checked the post times to show the time difference to illustrate my point but that was pointless as JR's site had the clock wrong for the forum for a long time. I do however remember when the original post was made here as I frequent both sites at work.

Basically the reason I posted this was to question whether you are really standing up for OP's right to be acknowledged for shared content or just to rip into Jim's rear end. Feel free to tear me apart.

BTW- I am not a Jimbo loyalist although I see no problem with his point of view a great deal of the time.