A little rant and a couple of NEW 9-10 Ball rules

Do you like the new rules??

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Porcospino

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Last night I was playing someone and I was spotting them the 6 and 8. (not 7) Anyway the guy slaps balls around the table with no idea what's going to happen next. Misses shots, I'm hooked. Bangs a ball, it goes 2 or 3 rails caroms off another ball, and drops. So he beats me 2 sets like this and than he acts like he is some bad ass pool player because he beat me out of a little bit of money. So I wanted to know if he wanted to play even and he back peddled very quickly. Then he was upset because I wouldn't give him respect for winning. Anyway this situation has drove me to the point to try and figure out a way to reduce lower skilled players from lucking up and winning.

All Texas Express rules apply, these are just add on's.

Rule #1:
Call your pocket...
Rule #2:
Call your safeties....


Penalities for Rule #1; (LOSS OF TURN)
-If you call an object ball in a certain pocket and it goes in another or you pocket another ball without calling it.

Penalities for Rule #2; (OPTION)
-If you try and make an object ball in a certain pocket and you miss the ball, the oncoming player has the option to make you shoot again.



I believe this brings more skill to the game and will 9 times out of 10 allow the "better" player to win and reduce the amount of stress caused from bad rolls or lucky players. I doubt alot of people would like this style of playing, but I would like to see it added to the rule books. Players shouldn't be rewarded for "lucky rolls" or "piss in outs". If these rules were added I believe the old saying "I'd rather be lucky than good" would go right out the door along with those sorry ass players who actually think they are doing something.

Do I piss balls in? OF COURSE
Do I get lucky rolls? ALL THE TIME

The difference is I don't think I did something or beat someone because I was fortunate. If I beat someone because I was getting all the rolls I don't actually believe inside that I won.

Am I going to give the man's money back because I was lucky? NO.....
Would I be upset if these rules were added??? NO!!!!

The people that really get on my nerves are the ones who feel like the accomplished something by pissing in outs, getting good rolls on you or beat you because they were getting the 7 out, all the breaks, and 2 games on the wire going to 7..... Anyway, I'd like t hear what you guys think on the new rules..
 
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All games should be a game of skill and an incoming player should not be punished if the shooter misses and gets a lucky roll. (IMO)
 
DoubleD said:
I think the current rules are just fine. If you are consistently losing to people who are 'worse' than you, guess what...they are better than you.
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Not in a handicapped game, surely?
Perhaps they're better at negotiating, though.
 
I thought the whole point of giving a spot was to give the less skilled player a realistic shot at coming out on top. With these new rules, all you'd be doing is causing the other guy to demand an even bigger spot, or he wouldn't play you at all. You can't have it both ways.
 
I think if you are good enough to spot someone 2 balls, you should know there are lots of rolls in the game, and they don't always go your way, and you shouldn't let that bother you.

This player got under your skin. I think you have a few options:
1. Figure out how to beat him.
2. Quit him and move on to a new opponent.

Personally I think you should keep playing him (only exception is if he won't lose a dime to you). If you let a player like this get to you, you need MORE practice playing him. You have to feel comfortable in every situation to be a well rounded player. Including situations of playing people that bother you.

Also if you go from giving someone 2 balls, and then telling them "play me even", something is not right. Either your initially handicap was WAAAYYY off, or you are not thinking clearly if you really expect someone who needs 2 balls to play you even.

I don't mean any disrespect, but from the little information you gave, it seems you need a lot more experience, especially in situations that make you uncomfortable. THat is a great way to improve: Practice your weakest shots; and practice your most uncomfortable non-table situations (opponents, state of mind, pressure of betting, pressure of being bet on, pressure of an audience, etc.)

To answer you specific question, I would not modify the rules to "Grady's Rules" (that is the name for call shot and call safety 9 ball). You have to be comfortable with the rules everyone plays by, and not change them to suit your own needs. The only time I'll change rules to Grady's rules is when I have a fish, that thinks the only reason he is losing to me is due to luck on my part. So I'll appease him and play Grady's rules.

Plus, believe me non-standard rules will cause you both arguments during the game. You won't be able to think of every scenario that will occur during the game, and then you two will have a problem on how to handle it.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Also if you go from giving someone 2 balls, and then telling them "play me even", something is not right. Either your initially handicap was WAAAYYY off, or you are not thinking clearly if you really expect someone who needs 2 balls to play you even.
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Well Maybe I should have made the situation a little more clear. I had beat him even, with the 8, and with the 7. When he beat me with the 6 and 8 he started acting like he was some bad ass player and I merely stated we could go back to playing even since he thought he was SO good because he got lucky.... I just wanted to see what some people thought of these rules that's all.
 
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To give someone the 6 and 8 shows me you are a strong player so keep
up the good work. On the other hand crazy stuff does happen on
the table. This is just the way it is and you can't do anything about it:frown: You know what, in a long run your level of play will shine over
his luck.
 
Since I the kind of shooter that needs a couple balls(not a pair) and all the slop I can get I will have to say I dont like the rules....::thumbup:
 
Seems the spot was too much for the game you were playing. Rather than try to change the rules of a game your were playing for the entire world, how about just negotiating a spot and a set of rules to play your opponent with.

If all else fails, why not forget that ridiculous game and play 1pkt or 14.1:shrug:

I mean after all, the pool ball manufacturers went through all the trouble to make 15 numbered balls and half you kids just shove em under the table. :)
 
3andstop said:
Seems the spot was too much for the game you were playing. Rather than try to change the rules of a game your were playing for the entire world, how about just negotiating a spot and a set of rules to play your opponent with.

If all else fails, why not forget that ridiculous game and play 1pkt or 14.1:shrug:

I mean after all, the pool ball manufacturers went through all the trouble to make 15 numbered balls and half you kids just shove em under the table. :)
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What he said!!
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Play 14.1 and stop wasting your time with luck games.
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I agree but 14.1 players are scarce around these parts. It's my game of choice but few players want to grind out a game to 100 or 125. They want quick action 9 ball.
I didn't even bother to vote because the changes aren't going to happen IMHO.
 
Oh, the 9-ball slop debate again.

If you don't like the slop of 9-Ball, negotiate new rules or ... play 10-ball instead. It's for adults! :grin:

(Just kidding, but really, how can you slopsters defend slop? Even on a coin-op table, slop should be loss of turn.)
 
Porcospino said:
Last night I was playing someone and I was spotting them the 6 and 8. (not 7) Anyway the guy slaps balls around the table with no idea what's going to happen next. Misses shots, I'm hooked. Bangs a ball, it goes 2 or 3 rails caroms off another ball, and drops. So he beats me 2 sets like this and than he acts like he is some bad ass pool player because he beat me out of a little bit of money. So I wanted to know if he wanted to play even and he back peddled very quickly. Then he was upset because I wouldn't give him respect for winning. Anyway this situation has drove me to the point to try and figure out a way to reduce lower skilled players from lucking up and winning.

All Texas Express rules apply, these are just add on's.

Rule #1:
Call your pocket...
Rule #2:
Call your safeties....


Penalities for Rule #1; (LOSS OF TURN)
-If you call an object ball in a certain pocket and it goes in another or you pocket another ball without calling it.

Penalities for Rule #2; (OPTION)
-If you try and make an object ball in a certain pocket and you miss the ball, the oncoming player has the option to make you shoot again.



I believe this brings more skill to the game and will 9 times out of 10 allow the "better" player to win and reduce the amount of stress caused from bad rolls or lucky players. I doubt alot of people would like this style of playing, but I would like to see it added to the rule books. Players shouldn't be rewarded for "lucky rolls" or "piss in outs". If these rules were added I believe the old saying "I'd rather be lucky than good" would go right out the door along with those sorry ass players who actually think they are doing something.

Do I piss balls in? OF COURSE
Do I get lucky rolls? ALL THE TIME

The difference is I don't think I did something or beat someone because I was fortunate. If I beat someone because I was getting all the rolls I don't actually believe inside that I won.

Am I going to give the man's money back because I was lucky? NO.....
Would I be upset if these rules were added??? NO!!!!

The people that really get on my nerves are the ones who feel like the accomplished something by pissing in outs, getting good rolls on you or beat you because they were getting the 7 out, all the breaks, and 2 games on the wire going to 7..... Anyway, I'd like t hear what you guys think on the new rules..
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bro if you don't know how to negotiate a spot that's your own fault. if you're gambling you could have given him the call 6/8 or stipulated your rule changes before you started.

it sounds like you gave the guy more weight than you could handle. you should have shown him some respect and then told him you can't give him that spot anymore because he plays too good.
 
Exactly

Guys that play cheap and spot themselves right out of a fair game are stupid stupid stupid, IMHO.

Reevaluate the game again, and whether you really think you can beat him giving him the 6 and 8. If you can play again, but not less than a $100 a set. People that get the big spots have to play for the big money.

If you are playing him for less than a $100 a set, you are really doing yourself a disservice and ruining your own action, and letting everyone else know your true speed too. Not too bright in my books.
 
Snapshot9 said:
Guys that play cheap and spot themselves right out of a fair game are stupid stupid stupid, IMHO.

Reevaluate the game again, and whether you really think you can beat him giving him the 6 and 8. If you can play again, but not less than a $100 a set. People that get the big spots have to play for the big money.

If you are playing him for less than a $100 a set, you are really doing yourself a disservice and ruining your own action, and letting everyone else know your true speed too. Not too bright in my books.
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he'd be doing himself and everyone else that runs into the guy a disservice. he'll be expecting to get that kind of weight from other players.
 
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