A long comment on "aiming systems" ...
- Thread starter Grilled Cheese
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You're without question the most egregious troll in this thread. I have ignored you thus far, but you finally baited me in. Post after post, you keep repeating nonsensical things as if some kind of religious mantra. "You don't understand" "You don't get it" "No clue" and other such sentiments.
Avoiding providing a proof for CTE doesn't help your case. Repeating a bunch of BS, doesn't make it true. All it does is help to reaffirm to skeptics that you are indeed a bunch of slanderous, libelous, smearing, trolling snake-oil salesmen.
You have polluted this thread with many posts, none of which offers any substance or at least a decent argument.
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Once again you misuse the appeal to authority argument. The appeal to authority is ONLY fallacious when the "authority" is in fact not an expert in the subject at all.
By nature top instructors like Jerry Briesath and Stan Shuffet ARE experts in the field of billiard mechanics and thus using them as authorities is perfectly valid.
However it is also important not to take their words out of context and not to rely too much on hearsay in the form of reported conversations rather than finding direct evidence of them speaking in the first person about the subject.
Not necessarily, because even authorities can be dead wrong. This has been true in science, medicine and many other things throughout human history.
So let me understand this. You are responding to Champ but you take the opportunity to apply this to ALL of us?
"you are indeed a bunch of slanderous, libelous, smearing, trolling snake-oil salesmen."
And this helps the conversation in what way?
I wrote you a nice letter the other day with diagrams as you asked for with my thoughts as to how Hal's and Stan's methods reconcile to GB. You have not even had the courtesy to acknowledge it.
For everyone else here it is - www.jbcases.com/cte-diagrams
As I said you ask for proof and when offered you and your fellows dismiss or ignore it. And you wonder why people on the pro-side of the discussion get irate.
Your implication is that we are just zealots who accept that something works without at all thinking about how it works. But collectively we have put a TON of thought into these methods. You are just so entrenched in your view that there must be a bunch of FEEL happening that you toss out the whole thing and declare it no better than anything else.
Collectively there are a ton of diagrams out there and people who are WAY SMARTER than me have figured it out using 3-d and perspective diagrams rather than flat 2-d diagrams. People who are ALSO engineers and scientists in their days jobs have posted plenty of times on the pro-side of this discussion to explain these methods and yet you ignore them as well.
Which brings up the question of who are you and what are your qualifications to discuss any of this?
JC
Coos Cues
Is this the uniformed opinion you are talking about?
For every one of those there's a hundred videos of guys who have never heard of the shit shooting circles aroung these cult members.
You are becoming increasingly nonsensical the longer this thread drags on dude. So far you have been on every side of the issues not knowing where the hell you stand. Show some dignity man and let it go!!
Sure they can but at some point you have to look to someone else's research and expertise.
But the point is that your MISUSE of the appeal to authority part of argument is that you don't RECOGNIZE experienced pool instructors as authorities on the mechanics of pool.
Which again begs the question of who are you to make any statements one way or the other?
Anyone can be an anonymous contrarian using endless theory when they won't allow any evidence into the discussion be they diagrams or authoritative statements by experts.
Thanks for your interest in the diagrams.
One starts with the CTE line in instruction "1" as do all CTE systems (definition).
This version of CTE assumes that one knows what pocket or target for banking he wishes to sent the OB to.
One then draws a line from that pocket/target through the OB center and where it exits is the contact point that the CB (or GB) must impact to send it to the pocket/target. In the diagram "Contact point GB/OB".
This line will change for the various cut angles as will the resultant contact point and thus in the diagram distance "A" will also change. So this version applys to all cut angles for those angles greater than 30 degrees.
The other "A" is that same distance as the above distance "A" (which will change as the cut angle changes) but from the center of the OB toward the relevant edge of the OB. One then parallel shifts the cue until it is pointing at that distance "A" in the diagram.
This moves the bridge to another location (instruction "2") to the side of the CTE line bridge in instruction "1".
From the new bridge location in instruction "2", one pivots the tip of the cue to the center of the CB in instruction "3". and then shoots center ball (CB) to the aformentioned GB location that sends the OB to the pocket/target.
This system is self compensating for the OB separations from the CB where the OB appears to be smaller the farther the OB is from the OB because the distance "A" will also get smaller as will the attendant included angle of the line from the CB to the OB and the CB path gets smaller. So Dr. Dave's example doesn't apply.
This system will work for one's normal bridge position behind the CB and doesn't require moving it forward or back even when effecting the parallel shift.
The rub is the parallel shift for if it isn't "exactly" parallel the cut angle will not be the one desired. This requires that the butt of the cue to move the same distance as the cue's tip.
If this can be mastered, it is useful.:smile::thumbup:
Notice that when the cut angle changes, the distance "A" also changes.
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Since you asked.
"Grilled Cheese, Thank you for pointing out via your very logical arguments that the real trolls of this thread are the aiming systems mafia."
I am proud part of the Aiming System Mafia. And I have a hit out on you. If the opportunity comes up to eliminate you from the forum then I will gladly take the shot.
The only REAL troll here is you who have truly posted NOTHING of substance on one side or the other.
I imagine you in a sort of porn fantasy of your own devising wherin you are trying to molest me while pleasuring Grilled Cheese at the same time. An interesting dichotomy that you want to rape me but be submissive to him. You should look into that.
When your hero flames like this then I guarantee you I will be there to burn down his threads,
"you are indeed a bunch of slanderous, libelous, smearing, trolling snake-oil salesmen." - Bolo Ocho/Grilled Cheese.
Because no one who says this is EVER interested in true discovery and discussion. And that was apparent to the ASM from post #1 in this thread.
I sent the following PM to Mike and Jerry:
Mike and Jerry,
The forum rules state the following: "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."
In the following posting, http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3445298&postcount=752 , John Barton, JB Cases, posted the following obscene, vulgar and sexually-oriented comment: "I imagine you in a sort of porn fantasy of your own devising wherin you are trying to molest me while pleasuring Grilled Cheese at the same time. An interesting dichotomy that you want to rape me but be submissive to him. You should look into that."
Why is John Barton getting away with posting these vulgar and obscene messages?
Allen
The forum rules state the following: "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."
In the following posting, http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3445298&postcount=752 , John Barton, JB Cases, posted the following obscene, vulgar and sexually-oriented comment: "I imagine you in a sort of porn fantasy of your own devising wherin you are trying to molest me while pleasuring Grilled Cheese at the same time. An interesting dichotomy that you want to rape me but be submissive to him. You should look into that."
Why is John Barton getting away with posting these vulgar and obscene messages?
Allen
JC
Coos Cues
well thanks for the spelling tip there anyway and what does aroung mean lol but i think it best you let it go lol actually you are right, you don't need me to prove you guys wrong as long as keep posting! so keep it up and someone please ban me from this threadi looked all around the internet but couldn't come up with a picture of a aroung
Your typo just made me laugh is all. It wasn't even related to the thread. You also spelled "supposed" wrong. That's two for you.......
Yeah, Grilled Cheese is starting to remind me of another poster who I haven't seen in some time, maybe GetMeThere or another similar one who simply lusts after debate and likes to give the yeasayers hell whenever he can. Sometimes I read these guys long-winded anti-cte posters and wonder if they can make a ball.
JC
Coos Cues
Did you tell Mom now? Is JB gonna "get it"? He gets away with it by not being a crybaby, tattle tale ***** would be my guess. And having an active chicken wing defense system probably doesn't hurt.:rotflmao:
lol so spell checking has now become a weapon in these threads for you guysbut seriously i am out of this thread, i hope!!
Since yesterday, there have been 2,000 hits...don't quit now!:thumbup:
Interspersed between the flame wars are some pearls of knowledge that legions of lurkers that want to expand their knowledge of aiming systems....I hope.:thumbup:
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