Ive been laughing at this APP since it first came out but im not sure the above is accurate-I'll need more convincing. I dont think it is a piece of equipment at all-No more than some notes or the chair leg you may aim at on a combo or bank.
A new phone app for banking is it cheating?
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Ive been laughing at this APP since it first came out but im not sure the above is accurate-I'll need more convincing. I dont think it is a piece of equipment at all-No more than some notes or the chair leg you may aim at on a combo or bank.
Once upon a time, I was playing a match and I was so drunk I could not do the math to figure out this three in the side. I stood there a minute and couldn't and finally turned around and hollered to the bar, what's half of 37.5? (I don't remember exactly what the number was) Somebody yelled back a number. I yelled back thanks, turned around and slammed the 8 ball three in the side and won the match. I guess I was cheatin but nobody said so. 
I know. What's it gonna tell you to do when there is a ball in the way? I doubt it is going to tell you how to get around it.
I need not worry, as I don't even have a Smart Phone.
It's not as useful as it sounds... you have to know how to adjust for various physics issues that prevent banks from moving on a perfect mirror line. And figuring out that line is easy without an app.
Even so, I'd consider it cheating. The 'spirit of the rules' seems to be that you cannot use outside aids for aiming. For example you can't lay your stick on the table to estimate a bank (though it's ok if you keep a grip on it). You can't mark the cloth. And in some leagues, you can't rest chalk on the rail or get outside help from another player (except when the league allows timeouts).
If I can't consult another person on how to play, I shouldn't be able to consult the app.
I might be tempted to let it slide knowing that the app is of limited use, but if it helps with 2 and 3 rail kicks... that's actually too useful to ignore. Finding the aiming point for these (prior to 'physics adjustments') is not that easy or well-known. I'd feel cheated if an opponent got the solution for that sort of kick from an external source.
Even so, I'd consider it cheating. The 'spirit of the rules' seems to be that you cannot use outside aids for aiming. For example you can't lay your stick on the table to estimate a bank (though it's ok if you keep a grip on it). You can't mark the cloth. And in some leagues, you can't rest chalk on the rail or get outside help from another player (except when the league allows timeouts).
If I can't consult another person on how to play, I shouldn't be able to consult the app.
I might be tempted to let it slide knowing that the app is of limited use, but if it helps with 2 and 3 rail kicks... that's actually too useful to ignore. Finding the aiming point for these (prior to 'physics adjustments') is not that easy or well-known. I'd feel cheated if an opponent got the solution for that sort of kick from an external source.
Me too- Maybe the outside advice area of the rules does address it -depends on how it is worded. Ill take a quick look for it.
EDIT I cant find a thing on outside advice in the rules
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This app is just the tip of a technical iceberg.
In the not-too-distant future, we'll have apps for computerized glasses (or contacts) that will lock in on the table geometry, positions of all the balls, and your cue shaft when you're down on the shot, and you'll have a realtime HUD that tells you if your aim is off by a millimeter left or right, and also suggests and detects tip position on the CB. The only non-measurable variable left will be stroke velocity, but of course you'll see a power meter with the ideal stroke velocity, which you'll self-calibrate to in short order (and which will be trim-able for varying table conditions). The math for all the above is trivial - all we're waiting on is the hardware (Google Glass is now in the hands of early adopters and developers).
This will be an ideal training tool, as even rank beginners will be able to see shots correctly. Of course, rules will be implemented to ban such equipment from competition, but eventually (20 years or so from now), the equipment will be undetectable without a body scan.
Don't be surprised when you see the first Kickstarter campaign for a Google Glass "Pool Vision" app within the next 4 years.
Ron <--------- tech entrepreneur for last two decades
In the not-too-distant future, we'll have apps for computerized glasses (or contacts) that will lock in on the table geometry, positions of all the balls, and your cue shaft when you're down on the shot, and you'll have a realtime HUD that tells you if your aim is off by a millimeter left or right, and also suggests and detects tip position on the CB. The only non-measurable variable left will be stroke velocity, but of course you'll see a power meter with the ideal stroke velocity, which you'll self-calibrate to in short order (and which will be trim-able for varying table conditions). The math for all the above is trivial - all we're waiting on is the hardware (Google Glass is now in the hands of early adopters and developers).
This will be an ideal training tool, as even rank beginners will be able to see shots correctly. Of course, rules will be implemented to ban such equipment from competition, but eventually (20 years or so from now), the equipment will be undetectable without a body scan.
Don't be surprised when you see the first Kickstarter campaign for a Google Glass "Pool Vision" app within the next 4 years.
Ron <--------- tech entrepreneur for last two decades
It really doesn't matter how you see the shots and where you are supposed to aim because as mentioned before there are several other things that affect the outcome of the shot. If the player already has the ability to hit the ball perfect and with the right speed they don't need the device.
Time seems like it would be the issue.
Time seems like it would be the issue.
This was covered in the March 2013 Billiards Digest on page 15, "You Make The Call." The only difference being the player uses a book, not an app.
The answer begins: "For over a century, it was illegal to receive assistance during a match. That rule not only disappeared from the current (2008) WSR, it was reversed."
It seems it was changed with team play in mind, but ultimately the only rule set specifically banning the use of a book, app, log book, etc. is the BCA Pool League rule 1.41: "During your match, it is a foul if you ask for or intentionally receive assistance in planning or executing any shot."
The answer begins: "For over a century, it was illegal to receive assistance during a match. That rule not only disappeared from the current (2008) WSR, it was reversed."
It seems it was changed with team play in mind, but ultimately the only rule set specifically banning the use of a book, app, log book, etc. is the BCA Pool League rule 1.41: "During your match, it is a foul if you ask for or intentionally receive assistance in planning or executing any shot."
It wont be long before google glass will have an app to see where you need to shoot.
You still have to hit he ball.
You still have to hit he ball.
Yep. And guys like me will hack it taking sharking to a whole new demension.
So you are down on a shot getting instructions from your google glass and BAM!
Fade this cupcake.
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Guys,
Know I'm old but..... didn't "Chrisbanks" get hammered here for suggesting basically the same thing? Using a smart phone to figure out a banking system while at the table? Maybe he was talking about banking the green stuff
!
Lyn
Know I'm old but..... didn't "Chrisbanks" get hammered here for suggesting basically the same thing? Using a smart phone to figure out a banking system while at the table? Maybe he was talking about banking the green stuff
!Lyn
I'm just not going to pull the app out when I get hooked or have a tuff bank shot even tho I have the app. Now if it came up during leauge would your opponent get up and say hey you taking to long ball in hand I know a warning would have to come first. I can see some issues coming up
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learning kicks and banks requires practice, even with this you still have to execute, which will take time and practice. Definately a short cut to learning though, but you wont have a system. I dont think its fair to use this, and if I caught you using it during a match I woulf flip. that said, since you wont be using it during a match, learn a system you can use during pressure, bc this wont do it. Cool that iphone apps is thinking about pool though.
In a place (league match) where you are allowed to have a coach or time out, I think this app could be used in place of that. No other situation this would be acceptable at.
JC
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If you plan on pulling this out during a match I would be sure whatever model phone you have isn't larger than the opening of your anus. It could get painful otherwise.
And this isn't even good for a learning tool because it's not teaching you how to fish, just putting the fish in your mouth.
Last but not least where's the android version? This thing is a clever but none the less a waste of 5 bucks.
And to answer the initial question, yes it's cheating. Learn how to bank or quit the sport. But cheaters don't care if it's cheating because that's how they roll. Anything to avoid work.
JC
And this isn't even good for a learning tool because it's not teaching you how to fish, just putting the fish in your mouth.
Last but not least where's the android version? This thing is a clever but none the less a waste of 5 bucks.
And to answer the initial question, yes it's cheating. Learn how to bank or quit the sport. But cheaters don't care if it's cheating because that's how they roll. Anything to avoid work.
JC