A none murdered animal cue please.

[classiccues]

But what does ivory inlays and/or an ivory buttcap add to a cue's playability? (You knew that question was coming, right?....lol.)

Lisa

Lisa,
Doesn't.. so what? Do you drive a hybrid? But seriously, if I thought human bones made nice inlays, I might ask for cadaver parts. IMHO everything dies anyways, makes no difference if you use it now or later. You can go on and on about what causes deaths of animals, whether we do it, nature does it, or a little of both. But in the grand scheme of things, at the end of time, no one will give a crap one way or the other.
As in the earlier posts, I think people need to research more than just taking a stand. I watched one of these tusk fires on CNN in 92. I thought to myself, 20 tons of tusks @ 150 / lb that they could use to IMPROVE their ability to stop poaching. Instead they burned it, great minds. To me, they were just grandstanding for the UN. Instead of thinking clearly.

JV

 

[cueman]

What if the ivory came from from elephants that died NATURALLY? Do you still not like them? Should we just let those ivories go to waste?

P.S. Elephants are far from being the most peaceful animal in the world. Elephants on musk kills more rhinos than us humans.

Elephants also kill alot of people. Not nearly as many as the Hippo, but they still kill alot of people. They have to cull the population to keep them from over running villages and trambling people. So they often do it the smart way financially. They bring in rich Americans and let them pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privaledge to shoot one of these animals that need culled. They get to keep the tusks with the right cites paper work. They have to agree not to sell the tusks until they pass away. So what we are buying now is old estate tusks taken mostly in the 60's and 70's. Poached ivory is being sold to the Asian market for much more than Ivory sells for here in the USA. So American cuemaking is not contributing to the poaching of elephants in any way. My question is would you rather see those 30 to 40 year old tusks decorate someones trophy room or their pool cue. I like to see it in pool cues.
As you can see below I like it alot:

Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

 

[ridewiththewind]

What I have to actually smile about is the fact that my making a personal choice, and stating my reasons why, seems to really ruffle some feathers. As I have continued to state, it is a personal choice as to what we choose to do or not to do in our lives...and how we choose to live with it.

I cannot think where I have said that one way is more right or wrong than the other...and, I am not passing judgement upon anyone, it's not my position to do so. I feel very strongly about my stand, and, obviously, many of you feel strongly about yours. That's cool....it is what makes us different.

On this one, we will have to agree to disagree.

Lisa

 

[ratcues]

Lisa is not telling you NOT to use ivory in your cues or NOT to own a cue with ivory. She is just stating her belief. To each, his/her own.

I do believe that ivory joints and ivory ferrules make a difference in playability. The inlays are decoration and, as I stated before, add to the perceived value of the cue. If I made two identical cues, one with ivory inlays and one with Elforyn inlays, the ivory would sell first, at a higher price, hands down. Its the nature of this industry.

Agree to disagree.

 

[runscott]

Lisa, in all fairness, you seem to be driving your point home repeatedly, so you need to expect others to give their opinions as well - they aren't telling you that you have to use ivory, any more than you are telling them not to.

As the guy above notes, sometimes you have to agree to disagree - this is the best you are going to get I'm afraid.

What I have to actually smile about is the fact that my making a personal choice, and stating my reasons why, seems to really ruffle some feathers. As I have continued to state, it is a personal choice as to what we choose to do or not to do in our lives...and how we choose to live with it.

I cannot think where I have said that one way is more right or wrong than the other...and, I am not passing judgement upon anyone, it's not my position to do so. I feel very strongly about my stand, and, obviously, many of you feel strongly about yours. That's cool....it is what makes us different.

On this one, we will have to agree to disagree.

Lisa

 

[ridewiththewind]

Actually, I see this as a prime example of of men and women speaking a different language. You see it as me 'hammering home my point repeatedly'...while I see it as my responding, in a steadfast manner, to each post I feel was directed at my post.

Venus and Mars, baby, Venus and Mars.

 

[runscott]

I can buy that explanation!

Actually, I see this as a prime example of of men and women speaking a different language. You see it as me 'hammering home my point repeatedly'...while I see it as my responding, in a steadfast manner, to each post I feel was directed at my post.

Venus and Mars, baby, Venus and Mars.

 

[ridewiththewind]

 

[supergreenman]

Lisa,
If elephants were raised for the specific reason to cull ivory, would you have an issue? Would you go to a PETA or Greenpeace meeting wearing your chaps, or jacket? I have no problems in using animal products because... just because. Pigs, chickens, cows, yes the argument would be the same if a screaming veggie was here for the debate instead of you.

JV

FYI only Greenpeace staff go to Greenpeace meetings.... and while many Greenpeace staff might be vegetarians it is most certianly not a prerequisite. While Greenpeace may give you grief over the use of ivory in a cue, they could care less if you used leather.

They do promote a lighter impact on the planet and in doing so would incourage less meat consumption for the reason that it takes 1/10 the resources to grow crops as it does to raise livestock.

Comparing domesticated livestock to wild animals is flawed logic.

 

[classiccues]

FYI only Greenpeace staff go to Greenpeace meetings.... and while many Greenpeace staff might be vegetarians it is most certianly not a prerequisite. While Greenpeace may give you grief over the use of ivory in a cue, they could care less if you used leather.

They do promote a lighter impact on the planet and in doing so would incourage less meat consumption for the reason that it takes 1/10 the resources to grow crops as it does to raise livestock.

Comparing domesticated livestock to wild animals is flawed logic.

But the output from the livestock is needed to make good natural fertilizer. You need the crops to feed the livestock and so the circle of life is continued. In the mean time having a little of both on your plate is just a bonus.

I agree Greenpeace has more "global" concerns and probably wouldn't take this issue at all.

Why? Animal is animal. Do you think the PETA freaks care just about chinchilla's and go to rallies wearing rabbit?

JV (--again, green is green and there is no in between..

 

[Nostroke]

Actually, I see this as a prime example of of men and women speaking a different language. You see it as me 'hammering home my point repeatedly'...while I see it as my responding, in a steadfast manner, to each post I feel was directed at my post.

Venus and Mars, baby, Venus and Mars.

If everyone insists on the last word, arguments never end. It took me til 35 to learn that.

 

[cigardave]

Who really cares about what some other person has in their cue???? I doubt that anybody gives a rat's ass.

 

[jimmymac]

But what about this cue?

http://billiardwarehouse.com/cues/mcdermott/mcderm_m2-9b.htm

it says ivory, how can i find out if it's real ivory or not?

My opinion only, please do not pay that much for a McDermott.

 

[CaptiveBred]

is road kill acceptable?

 

[Flex]

Don't you guys realize that they kill animals to make these cues....
... elephants are the most peaceful animals on this planet... they are herbivores and they don't harm other species... and yet humans kill them to make cues that could be made even more beautiful with out having to kill a utopia animal like an elephant.

Sorry to burst your bubble, friend, but elephants aren't the "most peaceful animals"...

Check this out:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20070327/twl-elephant-attack-kills-two-britons-41f21e0f8edf715b_1.html

Two British tourists have been killed in Zimbabwe after they were trampled to death by an elephant.

The victims were named as mother and daughter Veronica and Charlotte Parker, both British expatriates who have lived overseas for some years.

Mrs Parker, 47, and her ten-year-old daughter were killed when they were charged by a bull elephant during a walking safari with a guide and a professional hunter in Hwange National Park.

A third man, believed to be their tour guide, was taken to hospital with serious injuries.

The family were reportedly watching the elephant from behind an anthill when it charged.

It is believed elephants pose the second most dangerous threat to humans of any animal in Zimbabwe after crocodiles.

The owners of The Hide Safari Camp where the family were staying issued a statement on the British pair's deaths.

It read: "The guests were walking with a guide who is a qualified professional hunter inside Hwange National Park. During the walk at approximately 10:45 am on Saturday the 24th of March 2007, the group was approached by a young elephant bull in musth which charged them.

"The guide was knocked over after discharging his rifle but he was unable to stop the elephant. He is in hospital in a physically stable condition and fortunately a third guest with the group was not physically harmed."

"A Foreign Office spokesman in London said officials were providing "appropriate consular assistance".

"Police in Bulawayo and wildlife authorities said investigations were under way to see whether the tour group's local guides had been negligent.

"Conservation groups say the elephant population in the western Hwange park, the country's largest nature reserve, has soared in the absence of regular culling measures."

Peace,

Flex

 

[Flex]

I have not been able to find a McDermott cue that isn't made with dead animals which is a shame because these cues could be made with out it...

And they have some beautiful designs.

Hmmm....

By "dead animals" perhaps you are referring to the leather tip on the cue...

Heck, I wear leather shoes everyday, they're better than all the other materials I've come across so far, and they "breathe"... Look pretty sharp too...

Also, the cues I use are made from trees that were killed... Don't have any of those plastic cues some folks like. I prefer maple, and rosewood, and ebony, and cocobolo... and so on...

And the rubber that is used for the bumpers on my cues probably comes from a tree that was cut to release the stuff that rubber comes from. Is that tree feeling any pain when it's cut? Does it silently scream?

I'm trying to be as "sensitive" as I can...

Sorry if that's offensive to you, not trying to be mean, just normal.

Peace,

Flex

 

[ratcues]

Who really cares about what some other person has in their cue???? I doubt that anybody gives a rat's ass.

I'd give a RAT's a$$.

 

[Jack Flanagan]

the troll who started this thread needs to read this :

Poachers Kill 6 Rare Rhinos in India




Apr 17, 6:46 PM (ET)

By WASBIR HUSSAIN



GAUHATI, India (AP) - Authorities are searching for poachers who have killed six rare one-horned rhinoceros in the past four months in a protected game reserve in India's northeastern Assam state, the state's chief warden said Tuesday.

Two of the animals were killed in the past week inside the famed Kaziranga National Park, a 166-square mile habitat, said M.C. Malakar, Assam state's chief wildlife warden.

A spurt in poaching has surprised authorities because only five rhinos were killed in 2006 and seven in 2005.

"It is clear funds are flowing to attract shooters to kill rhinos for their horns and we can't rule out poaching syndicates within India and from abroad backing this fresh campaign at targeting rhinos in Kaziranga," Malakar told The Associated Press.


Rhino horns are in great demand globally, particularly in Southeast Asia, for their alleged efficacy in producing aphrodisiacs and traditional medicines. Some people also use them to make decorative dagger handles.

Kaziranga, nearly 135 miles east of Gauhati, the capital of Assam state, has an estimated 1,855 one-horned rhinos out of the estimated global population of some 3,000, according to the last census taken in March 2006.

Conservation efforts have led to a rise in the rhino population and they are now found even on the periphery of the park, making them easier targets for poachers, Malakar said.

The Assam Wildlife Crime Prevention Unit has suggested improvements in the infrastructure of the park and acquiring new speed boats for guards to quickly navigate the streams that crisscross the reserve.

Conservationists, however, say wildlife authorities have annoyed people living in the park's vicinity by not compensating them for loss of their crops ravaged by wild elephants and other animals.

"Poachers are often locals. To get intelligence about poachers' plans, it is very important to have a friendly set of villagers around the park," said Soumyadeep Dutta, who heads Natures Beckon, a conservation group.

According to government figures, 650 one-horned rhinos have been killed in Kaziranga in the past 40 years.

 

[whitey2]

bump

Just a bump, as this thread contains a lot of good information, that even I forgot about.

 

[cuejoey]

Don't you guys realize that they kill animals to make these cues....

They kill elephants to make your precious ivory cues... elephants are the most peaceful animals on this planet... they are herbivores and they don't harm other species... and yet humans kill them to make cues that could be made even more beautiful with out having to kill a utopia animal like an elephant.

Does no one care about this at all?

Poor elephants...

very sad.................


Anyone knows good cues that aren't made with dead elephants? can you please suggest me a few if you don't mind? Thanks.

By the way, I'm not trying to insult anyone, i was just wondering if I'm the only one who cares?

I don't think it is a sport to kill them now crocks or gators free season anytime... What about elephants that die of NATURAL causes ????