What if an elephant lives in the wild for years and years and then keels over from old age...would the use of that ivory be fine since it was non-murdered ivory?
A none murdered animal cue please.
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seb9 said:
You do realize that "vegetable-tanned oak leather" is still real cow leather don't you? The term "vegetable tanned" just refers to the curing and finishing process used on the cow leather. The majority of tips on the market are animal leather, mostly cow, buffalo, and pig.
-Rob
That must be why they MUSHROOM so easily... harharhar..seb9 said:
OK, how about this. What if the elephant is really disgruntled and rips out its own tusk? Or what if it loses a tusk in a fight with another elephant over his wife? Then would it be ok to take said tusk?UWPoolGod1 said:
Thank you bsmutz for a constructive and comprehensive respond that gave me a good perspective on the subject.
I find it weird they would lie about what is actually on their cues considering that advertising real ivory in the long run is not their advantage in sales numbers.
I find it weird they would lie about what is actually on their cues considering that advertising real ivory in the long run is not their advantage in sales numbers.
It says "recon ivory". I take that to mean reconditioned ivory. Probably old piano keys that were reclaimed for this purpose, cribbage boards, or some other source of ivory from long dead animals. You can always contact McDermott via their website if you don't want to call them.seb9 said:
seb9 said:
asian elephants are peaceful you are correct,
african elephants will kill you if you walk up to them 99% of the time, i have spent months all spouthern Africa I lived there for about 6 months, many black villagers are killed yearly, they raid crops etc,
seb9 said:
I now only know one person who would not buy a cue because it had ivory. ...I think the cuemakers are doing pretty well. There is always someone to buy the cue.
seb9 said:
I can't speak to the accuracy of the following statements... but I found it in a Dubliner review of a McDermott cue...
The fact that the ivory is “recon” ivory is a bit of a downer as well. Recon is short for “Recycled Content”, meaning we really have no idea if the ivory is real ivory, bone ivory or faux ivory.
You could call McDermott... and ask.
What cue tips use artifical leather? AKA pleather?seb9 said:
I happened to watch "UNFORGETTABLE ELEPHANTS" on PBS at a friend's house earlier and I would highly recommend it to everyone.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/index.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/video.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/video2.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/video3.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/a...tml?ex=1176436800&en=6cb584ef4fe8ad0e&ei=5070
After deeply moved by the show, I told myself I will never buy a product with Ivory in it
and I would urge my friends to do the same.
Let's have compassion and be just a little more thoughtful for other life forms.
Make peace with the world, make peace with ourselves.
... Oh no, I am turning into Max...
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/index.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/video.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/video2.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/unforgettable/video3.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/a...tml?ex=1176436800&en=6cb584ef4fe8ad0e&ei=5070
After deeply moved by the show, I told myself I will never buy a product with Ivory in it
and I would urge my friends to do the same.
Let's have compassion and be just a little more thoughtful for other life forms.
Make peace with the world, make peace with ourselves.
... Oh no, I am turning into Max...
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It's not weird. People do it all the time. Ivory is something that everyone recognizes. You know what ivory looks like. You can relate to it. If they called it plasticene or synthetic ivorine, you wouldn't necessarily know exactly what it is going to look like, even with a picture. It's just more appealing to the customer if he thinks he's getting something that he isn't. Most people would not support killing healthy elephants to get ivory these days, but they still like ivory and want to have ivory stuff. "Real Ivory" is still a strong selling point in this country.seb9 said:
Cuemakers that don't use ivory is tough, so I'll just go with cues without ivory.
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-SE3.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-P2LCRL.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-CX05.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-M16A.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-PS17.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-PS24.htm
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/mezz/mezz_jm_series_pool_cues.htm
Also, as people have already stated, most (if not all) custom cue makers can make you a cue without ivory.
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-SE3.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-P2LCRL.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-CX05.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-M16A.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-PS17.htm
http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-PS24.htm
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/mezz/mezz_jm_series_pool_cues.htm
Also, as people have already stated, most (if not all) custom cue makers can make you a cue without ivory.
Hello seb9,
realising that you ignored all posts about replacement material like Elforyn or the simple fact that any custom can be ordered without ivory, I do not understand your point.
If you like the look of ivory-inlays or ivory-ferrules, it is easy to replace the material with elforyn. It's not expensive and readily available to cuemakers from Eurowest.
If you would like to get a completely ivory-free cue, there should also be no problem - buy a custom, and you can order it in any design you like.
Thus, I do not really understand your point if you complain about cues - or do you stand up for the betterment of other pool players, asking them not to buy cues with ivory? That's probably a wasted effort, but good luck
Fwiw: I am trying to order a custom myself, and will possibly order an elforyn ferrule, which comes very close to the 'real thing' without harming any animals. However, I have yet to hear from my cue-maker of choice whether he is willing to try elforyn. Otherwise, I'll choose a standard phenolic ferrule.
Regards,
Detlev
realising that you ignored all posts about replacement material like Elforyn or the simple fact that any custom can be ordered without ivory, I do not understand your point.
If you like the look of ivory-inlays or ivory-ferrules, it is easy to replace the material with elforyn. It's not expensive and readily available to cuemakers from Eurowest.
If you would like to get a completely ivory-free cue, there should also be no problem - buy a custom, and you can order it in any design you like.
Thus, I do not really understand your point if you complain about cues - or do you stand up for the betterment of other pool players, asking them not to buy cues with ivory? That's probably a wasted effort, but good luck
Fwiw: I am trying to order a custom myself, and will possibly order an elforyn ferrule, which comes very close to the 'real thing' without harming any animals. However, I have yet to hear from my cue-maker of choice whether he is willing to try elforyn. Otherwise, I'll choose a standard phenolic ferrule.
Regards,
Detlev