a one pocket escape route

consider this for what, suicide? his is a very risky move and not very smart imo. you risk selling out the game on his shot. stupid way to lose at this point.
 
This shot would be crazy.I want to gamble with you if you play these kinds of shots for the cash.
 
Cuetable (or the WEI tags) isn't liking my diagram...so clicky the link. It works that way.

Remember that your opponent needs one ball and has one locked up in the jaws and another that can be shot straight in if you scratch without moving it. How about you suggest another shot that has a chance of escaping this trap since you don't like this one? I'm always happy to learn something! :)
 
Franky said:
Cuetable (or the WEI tags) isn't liking my diagram...so clicky the link. It works that way.

Remember that your opponent needs one ball and has one locked up in the jaws and another that can be shot straight in if you scratch without moving it. How about you suggest another shot that has a chance of escaping this trap since you don't like this one? I'm always happy to learn something! :)
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IMO you have 3 options:

1: Slow roll the 6 and try to corner hook him (good luck, and even if you get it, he kicks it in 90% of the time).
2: Pocket the one and scratch, hoping he dogs the 6.
3: Rack the balls.

I go with option 2.
 
Hoping for the dog stroke is the only other option I like. Problem is, nobody dogs that shiat. I executed it as diagrammed twice in a row, but I only tried it 4 or 5 times total.
 
I like the idea, but I wouldn't try it in a game that mattered. I would lag the cueball to the upper right corner pocket, trying to freeze him to the end rail just outside the point, spotting a ball for the foul. He can shoot a combination or a kick shot, but he might miss either. I hope he tries the combination and leaves me a way to pick up two balls and THEN follow in the one over his pocket.
 
Can you post a youtube video of executing this? I'd say it can be made 1 in 500. If that many.

You have to weigh percentages in all pool games, and this ability is particularly important in one pocket. so, if the situation is as bleak as you make it out, and you really can't win the game, you should try to give yourself the best chance of winning, no matter how small. There may be other shots available, but I'm only discussing the most common "real world" reply - following the 1 in. With this in mind:

Scenario A: (posted shot)
1) if you make 1 and miss the 2 ball (or hit the 2 but don't make it), you just made your opponent's game ball. I would guess this would happen about 90% of the time. This is so because the 2 MUST be far out from the side pocket for it to be a makable shot with ball in hand (as your scenario states). That is, it's not "hanging" in the side in your scenario.
2) If you can hit the 2 and make it, you have a slim chance of scratching. Using the 90 degree rule, the cue ball would hit near the first diamond. I would guesstimate this happens 9.95% of the time.
3) You lose 99.95% of the time - by shooting your opponent's game ball.

Scenario B:
Now suppose you follow the 1 in and leave the "hanger" 2 with ball in hand. Well this shot is between a 50% and 99% shot depending on the level of player. Lower percentage for lefties, since they have to bridge funny. And I'm sure we've all seen this shot dogged for the cash. I've seen pros miss it.
Anyway, let's just say your opponent can make it 95% of the time. You either have a 5% chance of winning (which is pretty small) or a .05% chance of winning by shooting the posted shot.

Thus, playing the percentages and following the 1 in gives you 100 times greater chance of winning than trying the whack-attack hit-n-hope shot.

I recognize that the odds aren't in your favor either way, but I'd want all the advantage I can get. And I'd rather my opponent dog the shot than make the game ball for him.

-td
 
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td873 said:
Can you post a youtube video of executing this? I'd say it can be made 1 in 500. If that many.

You have to weigh percentages in all pool games, and this ability is particularly important in one pocket. so, if the situation is as bleak as you make it out, and you really can't win the game, you should try to give yourself the best chance of winning, no matter how small. There may be other shots available, but I'm only discussing the most common "real world" reply - following the 1 in. With this in mind:

Scenario A: (posted shot)
1) if you make 1 and miss the 2 ball (or hit the 2 but don't make it), you just made your opponent's game ball. I would guess this would happen about 90% of the time. This is so because the 2 MUST be far out from the side pocket for it to be a makable shot with ball in hand (as your scenario states). That is, it's not "hanging" in the side in your scenario.
2) If you can hit the 2 and make it, you have a slim chance of scratching. Using the 90 degree rule, the cue ball would hit near the first diamond. I would guesstimate this happens 9.95% of the time.
3) You lose 99.95% of the time - by shooting your opponent's game ball.

Scenario B:
Now suppose you follow the 1 in and leave the "hanger" 2 with ball in hand. Well this shot is between a 50% and 99% shot depending on the level of player. Lower percentage for lefties, since they have to bridge funny. And I'm sure we've all seen this shot dogged for the cash. I've seen pros miss it.
Anyway, let's just say your opponent can make it 95% of the time. You either have a 5% chance of winning (which is pretty small) or a .05% chance of winning by shooting the posted shot.

Thus, playing the percentages and following the 1 in gives you 100 times greater chance of winning than trying the whack-attack hit-n-hope shot.

I recognize that the odds aren't in your favor either way, but I'd want all the advantage I can get. And I'd rather my opponent dog the shot than make the game ball for him.

-td
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Amen. Next topic please.
 
its not 500 to 1

I do weigh percentages when I play this game. Other options yield a small chance to not lose during the next inning. They aren't bad, but they aren't great. None of the options are great. However, my choice is no worse than the others.

I like my choice because you have a 1 in roughly 25 chance to drastically change the odds of the game from death trap, to underdog. Its certainly not a 500 to 1 shot. If you want to give me 500 to 1 odds on this, I'm sure I can find it in my heart to accommodate you. ;)


Here's an ugly, quick video of my first attempt at this with a single rack of balls. Note the brain fart on the 5 ball. :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsPuYXtkY5Q
 
WOW. The 2 ball isn't a given on certain nasty 1 pocket tables. I'd let the guy shoot it after following the one ball in. I think I'd try to shoot the two in the side go 1 rail (or crush it with top and try to rails)and try to get behind the one ball before I'd try the diagramed shot. Heck I might even make the one and scratch or knock it out.

Andy
 
Franky said:
I do weigh percentages when I play this game. Other options yield a small chance to not lose during the next inning. They aren't bad, but they aren't great. None of the options are great. However, my choice is no worse than the others.

Here's an ugly, quick video of my first attempt at this with a single rack of balls. Note the brain fart on the 5 ball. :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsPuYXtkY5Q
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Nice attempts!

But from watching your video it looks like that object ball in the side is too far into the side pocket to be considered a "gimme" shot in the corner (even with ball in hand). In fact, on a few attempts it doesn't look like it even goes in the bottom hole... Maybe it's the angle though. Overall, good video example.

But back to the odds, assume you can make it 1 in 25 if you practiced it enough. That is still a 4% chance of success. With the placement of the side pocket ball, missing only 5% of the time seems a bit low. Looks like you still have a 1% advantage shooting and following it in.

Franky said:
I like my choice because you have a 1 in roughly 25 chance to drastically change the odds of the game from death trap, to underdog.
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It's a long shot, but it would help if successful. But as your own numbers show, you give your opponent 24 free games. Remember, each time you miss the shot is another game your opponent just won. Wouldn't be my first choice.

Shooting the other shot, you make him earn those 24 games by shooting the last ball in. And sometimes the pressure really gets to people. Moreso when on the hill, or for big stakes. Personally, I would rather let him shoot than give him the game.

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Oh, if you get the camera out again, do a little test: Set the balls up, then shoot your shot. If you don't hit the 2nd object ball, take ball in hand behind the line and shoot it in your "opponents" corner from where it lies. This will show how many times it's a dogger, and help clarify some of the winning / losing percentage questions. In any event, it will be an intersting experiment. I may even try it when I get home. ;)

-td <- just my $0.02
 
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longhair said:
I like the idea, but I wouldn't try it in a game that mattered. I would lag the cueball to the upper right corner pocket, trying to freeze him to the end rail just outside the point, spotting a ball for the foul. He can shoot a combination or a kick shot, but he might miss either. I hope he tries the combination and leaves me a way to pick up two balls and THEN follow in the one over his pocket.
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I vote for this approach.
 
If your opponent doesn't know the rules very well, you could always play the unethical shot; shoot a soft intentional push shot to make the one and leave the cueball on the bottom rail. You then explain that since you pushed it's a foul and the one spots up along with one of your balls.:D
 
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