A Plea to Mike Howerton...

TheThaiger said:
Maybe so, but I doubt he said "my real name is Xxxxxx Xxxxxxx and I'm a benefits' cheat", did he?

That was what YOU did.
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And your problem is what? You are after all the one who is running around saying that $50 dvds about how to play pool is criminal while specifically targeting John Brumback and Stan Shuffet.

Let me break it down to you very clearly..... if you attack me with lies and slander then don't be surprised when I turn around and use every bit of personal information you share to discredit you. Turnabout is fair play as they say. However the better course of action would be to fully ignore trolls no matter how much they annoy you. Much easier to say than to do as this reply proves.
 
JB Cases said:
Let me break it down to you very clearly..... if you attack me with lies and slander then don't be surprised when I turn around and use every bit of personal information you share to discredit you. Turnabout is fair play as they say.
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So, to paraphrase, if someone doesn't agree with you over a way of aiming a pool ball into a hole, you'll post their real names and make insinuations about criminal behaviour.

Is that it?
 
TheThaiger said:
So, to paraphrase, if someone doesn't agree with you over a way of aiming a pool ball into a hole, you'll post their real names and make insinuations about criminal behaviour.

Is that it?
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Nope. You don't really follow along too well.

I said if people slander me then they can expect me to look for anything to disparage them and expose them as hypocrites if I find it.

Disagreement is fine. You have disagreed and we have debated the actual on-topic points. You just run away and ignore when ever anyone proves your points wrong and empirically exposes your exaggerations.

Such as when you claimed that expensive DVD lessons don't exist in snooker or other sports and I busted that claim with links. Or when you claimed snooker people don't talk about aiming and I busted that with links to youtube videos. Or when you claimed that you talk to hundreds of players every day about pool and I busted that with simple math.

Then, you like others, resort to insults and slander when cornered. But you are smart enough not to reveal who you are and get chatty about what your private life is like. Thus there is no way to find out what part of your claims about yourself are really fabricated.

Thus, you are a very good troll. You can and do hurl insults and slander with no fear of repercussions. As you already know the moderation here is lax so you know how far you can go without getting banned.
 
A huge thank you to Mike for making this happen. I would not wish the amount of time I wasted reading those threads on anyone.

Not to mention the money wasted too.

The pool world is a much much better place for many reasons now.
 
Luxury said:
A huge thank you to Mike for making this happen. I would not wish the amount of time I wasted reading those threads on anyone.

Not to mention the money wasted too.

The pool world is a much much better place for many reasons now.
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this guy has been crying about $40 bucks for 2 years now lol :thumbup: he reminds of a guy i know, if he buys you a beer, he will come up to you as soon as he is done his and tell you its your round lol :thumbup:
 
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Luxury said:
A huge thank you to Mike for making this happen. I would not wish the amount of time I wasted reading those threads on anyone.

Not to mention the money wasted too.

The pool world is a much much better place for many reasons now.
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Seriously? Someone twisted your arm to make you read the threads?

You all act like this is going to hide the subject. On the contrary it's going to EXPLODE now that the trolls can't get their fix on the "main" forum.

Stan's DVD is one of Sterling's best sellers and is in front of MILLIONS of viewers each month.
 
Cornerman said:
I think you have it backwards. I wasn't the one complaining about the aiming threads. I'm the one perplexed at why anyone thinks it's a good idea to move a pool related topic to a different area. You're accusation of my whining is completely backwards.

This is a pool forum. Exactly what topics should stay in the main forum if not aiming? If aiming goes (as I said), by logic every topic that gets any debate should also go. That's not whining.
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Yes you are whining. By your logic then, there needs to be no sub forums at all.

Just put anything and everything in one forum.

Imagine walking into a library, you know, the place that has books, and there was nothing but book after book on shelves. No order, no rhyme and reason, nothing just books on the shelf. Thats how info gets lost.

If anything, aiming will get more exposure because all related threads pertaining to it are in one place.

Geez, Roger Long was right.
 
JB Cases said:
You all act like this is going to hide the subject. On the contrary it's going to EXPLODE now that the trolls can't get their fix on the "main" forum.
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LOL - I think the average number of viewers is 2 so far. You'd better get over there - I doubt that you'll be able to hear the explosion from here.

pj
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JB Cases said:
Seriously? Someone twisted your arm to make you read the threads?

You all act like this is going to hide the subject. On the contrary it's going to EXPLODE now that the trolls can't get their fix on the "main" forum.

Stan's DVD is one of Sterling's best sellers and is in front of MILLIONS of viewers each month.
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No one twisted my arm. I really wanted to learn it so I could teach it and I wasted sooo much time reading the threads and watching the DVD it makes me ill thinking about it.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens when THIS thread mercifully ends, and the A.S. guy's will have no 'trolls' to harrass them. (over there)...Then they can live in peace and harmony [sic] as they always have..:rolleyes:

PS..I pity to see the fall-out, if some newbie violates/abuses either territory...:eek:
 
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I was wondering why this thread is high ont he front page every day and grew concerned that it might drift down and be out of everyones memory so I thought I would bump it up.

Good luck to you aiming people. May you live ever in peace and may all the balls you stroke go where you aim them.
 
Cornerman said:
John, regardless of bickering, those interested to learn more about these system have a better shot at it if the aiming discussions remain on the Main Forum. Those who you or I view as opposed to these particular systems will remain opposed. Those who truly want clarification ... they're now less apt to get it.

I know it's not abundantly clear but if we as believers are to spread the word, not only do we need non-believers to question us but we need it with the biggest stage.

In other word, there are no proponents without opponents. If we're going to puruade anyone, we need to be questioned.
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Don't be silly if the people interested in learning about aiming systems don't have enough interest to click on the aiming sub-forum instead of clicking on the main forum then they aren't interested enough to learn in the first place!!!!!!!! If there is info that I want to learn I'll go out and find it. If having to click on a sub-forum is to much to ask then their in a lot of trouble to start with.
 
elvicash said:
I was wondering why this thread is high ont he front page every day and grew concerned that it might drift down and be out of everyones memory so I thought I would bump it up.

Good luck to you aiming people. May you live ever in peace and may all the balls you stroke go where you aim them.
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I have to commend you that was such a nice gesture you made. :thumbup:
 
JB Cases said:
Nope. You don't really follow along too well.

I said if people slander me then they can expect me to look for anything to disparage them and expose them as hypocrites if I find it.
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How did he slander you?

So you admit you deliberately looked for information you could use to discredit him, in retaliation for him allegedly slandering you, even though it had nothing to do with the topic being discussed? Is that right?
 
JB Cases said:
Forum bully? Hardly. But knock yourself out.

There are millions of veterans who can't get care and lots of veterans that game the system. Same thing for regular people as well. So if anyone, veteran or not wants to attack me on a public forum and make disparaging, slanderous statements about me then they shouldn't brag about drawing disability when they can clearly function well enough to play pool and work.

Now, I am not proud of sinking to other people's level in this regard. But I am not the bully, I don't start the arguments.

You want to continue your research find the FIRST interaction between YOU and I. Post that and the forum can all see why trolls such as yourself need to be eliminated.

Since I took you to the woodshed verbally you have been attached to me like glue. Right now you occupy the position of stalker #1. But it's fine because you illustrate my point perfectly.
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Yes, JB, you're a forum bully. But don't just take my word for it. In November, Mr. Wilson in essence described you as a forum bully with the following comment: "See John, from my point of view, you see AZB as your own personal internet version of the kids game , "King of the mountain" and to climb to the top it is ok to push and throw people around and continue once you think you're king of the mountain."

Here's the AdminZone definition of a forum bully, which describes JB to a "T":
These gentlemen/ladies differ from trolls in the sense that they are not anti-social, but they are an accepted and sometimes well-respected members who assume a sort of informal and unofficial leadership role. They use this position to intimidate and assert their views on newer and less established members and often push their weight around to mark territorial rights. They will generally try and behave properly, but subtly try and behave like moderators and preach about forum behaviour. They will also turn and insult people as they wish and surprisingly other forum members will turn a blind eye to them. They will usually "adopt" ownership of a single forum or a subforum of a board and hang out there frequently with their clan. (this feature is usually more common in larger forums)

These people are often the starting point of cliques because they can gather a group of yes-people around them in no time.

Beware of these people and watch out for them because they can be a lot more trouble in the long run than isolated trolls running loose.​

Here's Mr. Wilson's take on trolls: "unless someone is breaking a specific rule, I don't generally ban them because someone doesn't like what they have to say. Seriously, who'd be left on AZB if JB got to ban everyone HE considers a troll?"
 
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duckie said:
Yes you are whining.
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Well... it's amazing that anyone would consider it whining, given the subject matter and progression of its move to a new sub-forum. You do realize it was someone's complaint and (dare I say "whining"?) that it moved? A reactionary head shake is not a whine. You've got it backwards.

By your logic then, there needs to be no sub forums at all.
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Sure. I don't have to read certain threads. In fact, I don't. I don't need someone else to tell me to not read something. We (actually, I should only say "I" since I have no idea about others on these threads) are adults.

Imagine walking into a library,
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This isn't a library. Many of the topics on a pool forum intertwine, especially if the subject centers around actually shooting pool. It's understandable to move tournament announcements and for sale to their own forum.
 
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