A sellers responsibility.........?

[hangemhigh]

Sorry about that

First I want to thank hangemhigh for the red Rep and then I want to say at the moment I am playing pool so I will post all the pm's between me and him when I get to a computer but until then ask your selves would I post all of them if I was hiding something or trying to scam some one and if I was scaming some one y wouldn't I go for something more than 275 I make that in a day and a half its not the amount that I was scared of losing it was the principal I asked for a tracking number he refused so I told him that if I didn't get one I would contact paypal he told me if I felt I needed to do that then to go ahead I waited 3 days no tracking number so I did what I said that's when all this started so if any one wants to. See the pm's I. Will gladly post all starting with first contact

When I gave you the red I told you I would turn you back green if you made things right. I misunderstood what the OP said about the tracking number, thinking it was sent via Paypal from the beginning. I can't take it back for 3 days, so sit tight and I will color you up then.

The address that was different from the Paypal account holder is what made me think scam, a common move of Paypal schemers. Paypal alerts their members to this regularly, I apologize for thinking that was what you were doing.

 

[gatorjoe]

I gave him my address in a pm after. He said there was no shipping info on the paypal I thought that was odd but it was easier to give him mine than my bosses I was just excited about my new cue and didn't stop to think how it looked I couldn't use my paypal because it was in the middle of confirming my new bank and we all know that can take a few days sorry about waiting so long to respond I was just upset about the whole thing as well as I was at work and didn't get a chance to post till later

 

[B-Rod]

ok

Ok i hate getting in the middle of this bs but im the friend that contacted d_lewis. My friend who i see daily comes to me {keep in mind i showed him az and told him that pretty much everyone on here trys to act like family} and say hey i paid this guy 17 days ago and he wont give me a tracking number and i havent got the cue that i bought and already paid for. I tell him let me see yalls conversation via pm he shows me in person where when they were negotiating this cue this guy said when i ship it ill give you the tracking number. Well its 18 days later and my friend has recieved nothing and i think if you are a seller and offer a tracking number you should do so. Me and D_Lewis have exchanged several pms and he just seems to try and belittle someone and acts like everyone owes him the benifit of the doubt when the truth is no one owes him anything. Well all in all if this guy shipped the cue he still didnt keep his word and if the cue arrives this year haha i will personally make sure he gets his cue or money back.

B-Rod

 

[rackem]

Always get both sides first.

First I want to thank hangemhigh for the red Rep and then I want to say at the moment I am playing pool so I will post all the pm's between me and him when I get to a computer but until then ask your selves would I post all of them if I was hiding something or trying to scam some one and if I was scaming some one y wouldn't I go for something more than 275 I make that in a day and a half its not the amount that I was scared of losing it was the principal I asked for a tracking number he refused so I told him that if I didn't get one I would contact paypal he told me if I felt I needed to do that then to go ahead I waited 3 days no tracking number so I did what I said that's when all this started so if any one wants to. See the pm's I. Will gladly post all starting with first contact

Glad I PM you to get your side first
Fortunately green counts twice as much as red. :grin-square:
How many others besides myself did it take to get you green again??
It seems as though D Lewis has embelished the facts a bit. :frown:
I wonder if a little red that way might be in order. :indecisive:
I done wondering but I might need a little help to get it done.
Anyone care to join me? :smash:

 

[poolpro]

D lewis- send the man his tracking ##!

Okay, so you started this thread, making it everyone's business. You really thought you were going to get support for your actions. Well, I have not heard one person say you were right to not give the buyer a tracking number. You FINALLY admitted you were wrong about it :thumbup: But you STILL have not made it right! Do it now. MAN UP!!

You have had the time to post MANY times about this topic. You can take 30 seconds and send an email with the tracking info and a short apology. Right now, before you post again, before you do anything else on here. Just do it. Untill then yours is the only credibility in question.

I just don't get this one. It is not like you were saying that you should not question someone's intentions. You admit to waiting a bit to see if everything was cool, because you weren't sure about his intentions. AND THIS WAS AFTER GETTING PAYMENT! You are saying that you have every right to question someone else, but how DARE they even think about questioning you, even after you don't do what you said you would! Then you come on here and make it everyone's business, thinking you would actually get people to support your actions. WRONG!

I do respect that you have admitted your mistake. Now prove it! Stop being so difficult, and cough up the info!

Also, if anyone has been paying attention, your track record isn't so good. 2 sales= 2 problems. The first one you sold 2 books, but could not find the second? So you went to the trouble of listing, selling, AND taking payment, BEFORE even bothering to check that you actually had the items and were able to produce them to your buyer?

And now this?

Yet no one has the right to question your ability to complete a sale in a courteus and professional way?

You may have never asked for tracking info, but I would bet anything that more than once it was provided to you anyway. That is a clue that most people feel it is important info for the buyer. Info that is provided without even prompting in most cases was refused after repeated requests from someone who's money you are currently holding. YES, you do OWE it to him!

GIVE UP THE TRACKING # GIVE UP THE TRACKING # GIVE UP THE TRACKING #

ps: GIVE UP THE TRACKING #


one more thing, GIVE UP THE TRACKING #!


btw GIVE UP THE TRACKING #

a polite remider, GIVE UP THE TRACKING #!



Jw

oh, before I forget, you should probabaly GIVE UP THE TRACKING #!


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[D_Lewis]

First I want to thank hangemhigh for the red Rep and then I want to say at the moment I am playing pool so I will post all the pm's between me and him when I get to a computer but until then ask your selves would I post all of them if I was hiding something or trying to scam some one and if I was scaming some one y wouldn't I go for something more than 275 I make that in a day and a half its not the amount that I was scared of losing it was the principal I asked for a tracking number he refused so I told him that if I didn't get one I would contact paypal he told me if I felt I needed to do that then to go ahead I waited 3 days no tracking number so I did what I said that's when all this started so if any one wants to. See the pm's I. Will gladly post all starting with first contact

So, did you get the tracking number that I posted in paypal yet? I still seem to notice that the claim is open even though the tracking number is posted!

Trust, but verify! Dan Lewis was upset due to all the PM's he received from the buyer. I wonder how many he would have received if he had been forthcoming with the tracking information. Like so many others on here, I would immediately become suspicious if someone refused to give me a tracking number on a supposedly shipped item that I had already paid for. I guess that's just human nature. It only took Mr. Lewis 40 odd posts to finally realize that.

I have shipped dozens of books to Canada and it normally takes 8-10 days to arrive. About like shipping to Europe. Of course my books are only a $20 item, so if one were to get lost it wouldn't be the end of the world. But close :grin-square:

One trick I have learned to expedite the process of getting through Canadian customs is to list the item as a "gift". Somehow this one simple thing makes the whole process go more smoothly and much faster. Probably saves 2-3 days on the Canadian side of the border.

Sometimes shipping something as a gift delays shipping also, and sometimes even worse, if you label it as a gift they'll still hit you with taxes and duty on it.

Imagine this "Happy Birthday Jay!" and I send you a cue for your birthday or something, insure it and then you get hit with duty and taxes for your birthday also. hahah. Customs has a mind of their own sometimes. Thanks for the post.

Were you also the one who turned the mans rep to red?
Remind me to never expect you to be a responsible seller and provide proof that the item was mailed.
You owe the man an apology for soiling his rep.
The chargeback is your own fault.

I did not post a negative rep, I dont think Ive given one since I signed up on the site.
Thanks for your post.

I gave him my address in a pm after. He said there was no shipping info on the paypal I thought that was odd but it was easier to give him mine than my bosses I was just excited about my new cue and didn't stop to think how it looked I couldn't use my paypal because it was in the middle of confirming my new bank and we all know that can take a few days sorry about waiting so long to respond I was just upset about the whole thing as well as I was at work and didn't get a chance to post till later

The shipping info listed with paypal doesnt match the address you asked for the item to be shipped to. You can print a shipping label via paypal but it would have been shipped to a Ms Brandi Reynolds (sp)

Okay, so you started this thread, making it everyone's business. You really thought you were going to get support for your actions. Well, I have not heard one person say you were right to not give the buyer a tracking number. You FINALLY admitted you were wrong about it :thumbup: But you STILL have not made it right! Do it now. MAN UP!!

You have had the time to post MANY times about this topic. You can take 30 seconds and send an email with the tracking info and a short apology. Right now, before you post again, before you do anything else on here. Just do it. Untill then yours is the only credibility in question.

I just don't get this one. It is not like you were saying that you should not question someone's intentions. You admit to waiting a bit to see if everything was cool, because you weren't sure about his intentions. AND THIS WAS AFTER GETTING PAYMENT! You are saying that you have every right to question someone else, but how DARE they even think about questioning you, even after you don't do what you said you would! Then you come on here and make it everyone's business, thinking you would actually get people to support your actions. WRONG!

I do respect that you have admitted your mistake. Now prove it! Stop being so difficult, and cough up the info!

Also, if anyone has been paying attention, your track record isn't so good. 2 sales= 2 problems. The first one you sold 2 books, but could not find the second? So you went to the trouble of listing, selling, AND taking payment, BEFORE even bothering to check that you actually had the items and were able to produce them to your buyer?

And now this?

Yet no one has the right to question your ability to complete a sale in a courteus and professional way?

You may have never asked for tracking info, but I would bet anything that more than once it was provided to you anyway. That is a clue that most people feel it is important info for the buyer. Info that is provided without even prompting in most cases was refused after repeated requests from someone who's money you are currently holding. YES, you do OWE it to him!

GIVE UP THE TRACKING # GIVE UP THE TRACKING # GIVE UP THE TRACKING #

ps: GIVE UP THE TRACKING #


one more thing, GIVE UP THE TRACKING #!


btw GIVE UP THE TRACKING #

a polite remider, GIVE UP THE TRACKING #!



Jw

oh, before I forget, you should probabaly GIVE UP THE TRACKING #!


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Just curious if you read the thread at all since I posted that the tracking number is readily available to the buyer. (not subliminal, just to the point)

Thanks for your post.

 

[D_Lewis]

I gave him my address in a pm after. He said there was no shipping info on the paypal I thought that was odd but it was easier to give him mine than my bosses I was just excited about my new cue and didn't stop to think how it looked I couldn't use my paypal because it was in the middle of confirming my new bank and we all know that can take a few days sorry about waiting so long to respond I was just upset about the whole thing as well as I was at work and didn't get a chance to post till later

So, the item has been shipped for a while and Ive told you all along that it was.

You have the tracking number and STILL we have an open paypal claim.

 

[poolpro]

So, did you get the tracking number that I posted in paypal yet? I still seem to notice that the claim is open even though the tracking number is posted!



Sometimes shipping something as a gift delays shipping also, and sometimes even worse, if you label it as a gift they'll still hit you with taxes and duty on it.

Imagine this "Happy Birthday Jay!" and I send you a cue for your birthday or something, insure it and then you get hit with duty and taxes for your birthday also. hahah. Customs has a mind of their own sometimes. Thanks for the post.


I did not post a negative rep, I dont think Ive given one since I signed up on the site.
Thanks for your post.


The shipping info listed with paypal doesnt match the address you asked for the item to be shipped to. You can print a shipping label via paypal but it would have been shipped to a Ms Brandi Reynolds (sp)



Just curious if you read the thread at all since I posted that the tracking number is readily available to the buyer. (not subliminal, just to the point)

Thanks for your post.

I have read every word of this thread. My point was to email it DIRECTLY to him as well. Enough of the games. A short message with tracking info and a short apology would have been apropriate.

No more of " the info has been made readily available to the buyer" crap.

That was what I meant when I said man up, take responsiblity, apologize, and take the consequences. Then take the lesson for future reference.

It sounds like when the cue arrives, the buyer will do the right thing. He could try to one up you on being spiteful, but it seems as he won't. Which is the better thing for all involved. Just realize that if he were to choose to act like you have, and not be concerned about the other party, he could keep the cue and the money (out of pure spite). And prob could get away with it. You have both already stated it is more principal than money. You still refuse to lower yourself and give the info dirctly to the buyer. Maybe he should get his refund, take the money and put it on his front porch and claim that it is "readily available" for you to come and get it whenever you wished.

Chalk it up as a lessen learned. Give people the same courtesy as you would want (maybe even a bit more sometimes). It is good business and just good general policy.


PS- I am not saying that the buyer should keep the cue and money. The right thing to do is to accept the cue (assuming it was not misrepresented) and drop the dipute. I was just making a point.

Jw

 

[D_Lewis]

Maybe he should get his refund, take the money and put it on his front porch and claim that it is "readily available" for you to come and get it whenever you wished.

I could really use a vacation, this is the best idea Ive seen in this thread yet!

The buyer made a claim through paypal, I posted the tracking number with paypal.

Unfortunately, with the tracking number when it crosses the border it doesnt show any other info other then when its delivered. Its been in the United States since the 3rd.

 

[poolpro]

So, the item has been shipped for a while and Ive told you all along that it was.

You have the tracking number and STILL we have an open paypal claim.

He has already said that he will do something. You should just trust him enough to do it, AND NOT BOTHER HIM WITH COMMENTS< EMAILS AND PUBLIC THREADS ABOUT IT.

Acording to your whole logic, just telling someone something should be enough, right? How dare you double check on the staus of the situation?

He made a staement, you should not even have checked with paypal. The fact that he said he will do something is all you could ever need.

Or is it?


Do you get my point at all yet? You want people to just take you at your word, and are apalled at any hint that you may not be trusted 100%, while at the same time are not willing to give anyone else the same trust.

It seems it is now your turn to sit and wait untill things are resolved without being able to do anything about it. You are now in the EXACT same place you put your buyer in. All you can do is sit and wait, and HOPE that they will do what they said they will do, WITH YOUR MONEY.It is NOT a fun place to be. It is at a time like this that a little assurance and communication can go a long way.

What are the chances you will sit quietly and trust things are fine if you have no contact and are ignored for 17 days?

I bet you will post here, or try to contact him within 17 days.


Jw

 

[LC3]

I tell him let me see yalls conversation via pm he shows me in person where when they were negotiating this cue this guy said when i ship it ill give you the tracking number.

D_Lewis, just to be sure we understand: several times in this thread you trivialized the need to provide a tracking number and even asked if it's a seller's responsibility, but you offered to provide it in the negotiations for the sale. Is that correct?

 

[rackem]

You need to see some red??

so, did you get the tracking number that i posted in paypal yet? I still seem to notice that the claim is open even though the tracking number is posted!
so you still expect the man to go fishing for the tracking # instead of just giving it to him

sometimes shipping something as a gift delays shipping also, and sometimes even worse, if you label it as a gift they'll still hit you with taxes and duty on it.

Imagine this "happy birthday jay!" and i send you a cue for your birthday or something, insure it and then you get hit with duty and taxes for your birthday also. Hahah. Customs has a mind of their own sometimes. Thanks for the post.
i have never seen the usa charge duty or taxes for packages coming this way

i did not post a negative rep, i dont think ive given one since i signed up on the site.
Thanks for your post.
maybe you did not, but you sure caused it to happen when you embelished the facts

the shipping info listed with paypal doesnt match the address you asked for the item to be shipped to. You can print a shipping label via paypal but it would have been shipped to a ms brandi reynolds (sp)
you said there was no shipping address

just curious if you read the thread at all since i posted that the tracking number is readily available to the buyer. (not subliminal, just to the point)
thanks for your post.
key point anyone with any smarts would had posted the tracking # for all of us to see.

still no public apology. You still just want to put up stupid arguementive posts even after we all tell you how wrong you were

 

[D_Lewis]

still no public apology. You still just want to put up stupid arguementive posts even after we all tell you how wrong you were

You are TOO good with the posts, I wanted to quote it all but your snuck your comments in there in the quoted message.

I openly admitted that I SHOULD have sent the tracking number. I admit I did it out of spite and frustration.

Id bet that the cue was either delivered Friday, today or Monday based on the info posted on USPS (in USA on the 3rd, going to Florida)

Because YOU think I owe someone a public apology doesnt mean that I think I owe them one. That may sound stupid or harsh but in the end, I didnt screw the guy. I shipped the cue, it is as described, its packaged well, its insured and will show up in a reasonable time frame.

 

[B-Rod]

Just can D_Lewis answer one question when you sold the cue you told him you would provide the tracking number why did you not? Another thing you are putting it out there like this guy pm'd you a hundred times do a count and let us know the real number. If you cant ill get gator joe to. Another thing ive never seen a seller write the buyer the way you did you was real nice until you got his money then turned into straight d**k . This is the thing you are wrong, maybe you didnt realize how much of an a** you was as a member i also believe you owe him an appologie "this is just my opinion"

 

[poolpro]

You are TOO good with the posts, I wanted to quote it all but your snuck your comments in there in the quoted message.

I openly admitted that I SHOULD have sent the tracking number. I admit I did it out of spite and frustration.

Id bet that the cue was either delivered Friday, today or Monday based on the info posted on USPS (in USA on the 3rd, going to Florida)

Because YOU think I owe someone a public apology doesnt mean that I think I owe them one. That may sound stupid or harsh but in the end, I didnt screw the guy. I shipped the cue, it is as described, its packaged well, its insured and will show up in a reasonable time frame.

So you openly admit you were wrong, and could have handled the situation better. On top of that you were rude and spiteful toward someone who trusted you with their cash, but you sure won't give up an apology? WTF?

Real classy. I guess that is all I have to say about that.

The only reason you gave up the tracking info is so you have even a shred of a chance of not losing the paypal dispute. You did not do it because you realized it was the right thing to do. You have acted shady from the start all the way through till now, and willingly choose to continue it. You have left no doubt about your true character ( or lack therof).

I am just glad you chose to bring this to everyone's attention. You have let everyone know just what kind of person you are to do business with.


You don't owe anyone anything, just stop acting as if you are owed any kind of trust or courtesy from anyone else either. Nice way to choose to live. Good luck with that.


Jw



Jw

 

[Celtic]

I openly admitted that I SHOULD have sent the tracking number. I admit I did it out of spite and frustration.

My personal advice is don't sell stuff on AZB anymore. If giving people a tracking number for their purchase is too much bother for you and you feel like holding off on sending an item AFTER someone sent you the money for that item is perfectly OK then you should probably not sell stuff at all online.

From the perspective of the buyer, they sent you money via paypal, they wait on a tracking number, during this time you don't even send the cue because you are waiting to see if they will reverse the payment. At this time they are wondering what is up and whether THEY are getting scammed, rightfully so. Now you FINALLY send the cue, the buyer STILL does not have any way of knowing this without a tracking number, they ask for it repeatedly, you tell them to suck a dick, they finally reverse the payment, and then you come onto AZB and whine on the main forum about it and finally give them a tracking number after people tell you that you are being an idiot about the tracking number.

As the buyer I would be pretty pissed off at this point. I am not reversing that claim until I have the cue in hand, you can wait on the payment claim being removed just like you made me wait before you even shipped my bloody cue that I paid for because you felt like it.

 

[rackem]

Hey D Lewis thanks for the red rep. :kma: What did I do wrong?
As far as your PM goes you have already said the same stupid things here.
Please don't PM me any more. I am getting real FRUSTRATED.
I hear the buzz of the of the RED BOMB SQUAD forming.
Let'em fly guys D Lewis has been given fair chance to offer apology for needlessly soiling another man's name.

 

[D_Lewis]

Just can D_Lewis answer one question when you sold the cue you told him you would provide the tracking number why did you not? Another thing you are putting it out there like this guy pm'd you a hundred times do a count and let us know the real number. If you cant ill get gator joe to. Another thing ive never seen a seller write the buyer the way you did you was real nice until you got his money then turned into straight d**k . This is the thing you are wrong, maybe you didnt realize how much of an a** you was as a member i also believe you owe him an appologie "this is just my opinion"

1) No you cant ask me any questions, I owe you nothing.
2) The number of PMs and replies is very large, large enough that I had to delete messages in order to keep space. I believe its 70 max storage? Please confirm the total number of messages back and forth. I guarantee he had to delete some of them because the inbox was full. I have a few left over after deleting most of them, I also have 9 messages between you and I. They add up quick.
3) I was nice the whole time up until the point where he opened a paypal claim on an item I assured him numerous times was already shipped. Then I sent a message explaining my frustrations with the whole situation.
4) I am not interested in hearing your opinion.
5) Please have someone translate your posts in the future so I can actually understand what you're trying to say.

Hey D Lewis thanks for the red rep. :kma: What did I do wrong?
As far as your PM goes you have already said the same stupid things here.
Please don't PM me any more. I am getting real FRUSTRATED.
I hear the buzz of the of the RED BOMB SQUAD forming.
Let'em fly guys D Lewis has been given fair chance to offer apology for needlessly soiling another man's name.

You're welcome, thank your for giving me red rep on a post where I said

"The buyer has the tracking number and has yet to contact me back. He has been online today as well as yesterday after the tracking number was posted.

Thanks for all the comments, I understand that I was in the wrong with not sending the tracking number and I can admit that. I did it 100% out of spite and frustration with the previous messages. "

I tried to send you a PM explaining the situation since you seem to think that it involves you for some reason or another.

I really hope I pay attention to your posts in the future so I can add my two cents.

 

[D_Lewis]

Updated info with specifics from USPS:
Your item arrived in the United States in FOREIGN CENTERJERSEY CITY NJ 099 at 7:14 AM on February 3, 2010

 

[poolhustler]

Why would you not just send him the tracking number??

I always give a tracking number and always expect to get one.

NO reason not to....