A shot to practice.

Rich93 said:
It's also shown and explained on Dr. Dave's Video Encyclopedia, with Tom Ross demonstrating.

I've heard the shot called various things: "stun forward", "stun run-through" and "force follow". I don't think "force follow" is the proper term for it but I heard Jim Rempe call it that on an Accu-Stats video. I always thought force follow just meant a hard follow shot where the cue ball is really forced to run (the cue ball hesitates, then zooms forward).

The stun-forward is a common shot over middle and longer distances, especially in straight pool. It's a better alternative to babying the ball or a "drag draw" in most instances, since a slow hit ball (either cue ball or object ball) can roll off.
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I was just actually just watching this and They do a great job covering different types of stun shot,s.

Not trying to change from my original post but as i was watching the dvd Dave talk's about equal separation of the balls .When you shoot a 1/2 ball shot the ball separate at the same angle.Im not positive but dont the balls separate at close to the same angle when struck at a 45 degree angle or 1/4 ball hit with a rolling cb?Im not around a table right now but the 1/2 ball hit with a rolling cb don't sound correct.(maybe it does)
 
8pack said:
When you shoot a 1/2 ball shot the ball separate at the same angle.
...dont the balls separate at close to the same angle when struck at a 45 degree angle or 1/4 ball hit with a rolling cb?
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You're almost right.

With a rolling CB and a half-ball hit CB and OB both go at 30 degrees from the CB's original path.

With a sliding CB and a (slightly fuller than) 1/4-ball hit CB and OB both go at 45 degrees from the CB's original path. (Remember, with a sliding CB the angle formed by the CB/OB paths is always 90 degrees.)

pj
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Rich93:
The stun-forward is a common shot over middle and longer distances, especially in straight pool. It's a better alternative to babying the ball or a "drag draw" in most instances
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I think a "drag draw" shot can be a stun-forward shot. I believe it just means draw that's intended to wear off to some degree before hitting the OB.

pj
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Black-Balled said:
Thanks for the follow-up.

FTR, my statement was (I believe, appropriate) input to your ending: 'how important is that shot???'
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I apologize to you sir,sometimes i just don't think,i was reading my post and while yesterday it didnt seem so bad but today it looks more unappropriate.
Again sorry. You guys here on az are all good in my book.

Anthony
 
catpool9 said:
The stun forced follow shot is just what is says, it is one shot that I have a hard time explaining how to execute, but I'll give it a go!

You have a straight in shot ( 3 to 4 feet from cue ball to object ball) where you need the cue ball to follow up slightly for shape for the next object ball about an inch or two, most people that don't know the shot will shoot easy and follow the cue ball with alight tough., and sometimes the cue ball will roll off and you mis the ball.

The way to do the stun shot is shoot your cue with 1/4 or less tip high from dead center of the cue ball and shoot with a very hard stroke , the cue ball will just float up like in slow motion for the shape on the next object ball.

All I can say is line up the shot from about 3 or 4 feet distance from cue to object ball, and shoot the shot in the manner I suggested, after about 5 minutes and some trial and error adjusting you will have it mastered.

That is about as close of a discription as I can give, but that is how I do it, and it works for me!

It is almost the same as a stop shot, but with higher tip above dead center.

hope this helps!


David Harcrow
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You know what you are talking about. FInally an explanation of what it is and how to do it.
 
yup!

Tennesseejoe said:
You know what you are talking about. FInally an explanation of what it is and how to do it.
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When David posts I always pay attention.

The shot has been well explained but I will mention a drill that is helpful, forget where I got it from. It is simply shooting the object ball straight in the pocket from various distances and exactly replacing the object ball with the cue ball. Practicing this a few minutes every day is a good way to get speed control down and it is easy to vary speed and/or tip placement to get slightly more roll when you need it when you have the one ball of forward movement down at various distances. This is an excellent "calibration" shot for me when first warming up.

Hu
 
8pack said:
I apologize to you sir,sometimes i just don't think,i was reading my post and while yesterday it didnt seem so bad but today it looks more unappropriate.
Again sorry. You guys here on az are all good in my book.

Anthony
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Apology not needed, but appreciated.
You guys here on az are all good in my book.
:grin:
 
I cue a half tip above center. Sometimes even less.

Someone categorized drag shot with stun follow in an earlier post, no no no. A drag shot is when you cue a draw shot but ease up on the follow through --- this will cause the cue ball to roll backwards, skid, then roll foward as if you were slow rolling it at a closer distance. A stun follow is when you hit the ball while it's skidding and the cue ball rolls foward a little bit.

Well thinking about it, they both produce the same result. Then again, what do I know?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I think a "drag draw" shot can be a stun-forward shot. I believe it just means draw that's intended to wear off to some degree before hitting the OB.

pj
chgo
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It's a question of terminology, I guess. What I was thinking of as "drag draw" is when the cue ball is hit pretty low and starts out with backward spin that you can clearly see (with the spotted cue ball or a striped ball), and then you see the cue ball slow down, the backward spin wears off and the ball starts rolling forward. When it hits the object ball it's rolling but traveling slowly. The advantage is that you can hit it harder than if you had just hit a soft follow shot to begin with, so less cue ball-roll-off danger. However, you have the same object ball roll-off danger.

I think of stun-forward as a harder hit ball where the cue ball is still mainly sliding with just a little forward roll when it hits the object ball. Less roll-off danger for both balls.
 
SirNoobs said:
Someone categorized drag shot with stun follow in an earlier post, no no no. A drag shot is when you cue a draw shot but ease up on the follow through --- this will cause the cue ball to roll backwards, skid, then roll foward as if you were slow rolling it at a closer distance.
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All these shots can be hit the same way - the only real difference between them is whether they're rotating backwards, forward or not at all when they hit the object ball.

Here's a drawing that shows the same shot changing from one kind into another just by the distance it travels (as the draw wears off and changes into follow):

DRAG DRAW ILLUSTRATION (small).jpg

A stun follow is when you hit the ball while it's skidding and the cue ball rolls foward a little bit.
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As I said before, if the CB hits the OB straight on while the CB is skidding (with no backward or forward rotation) it will stop. It must have some forward rotation to carry it forward because hitting the OB stops it dead.

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Patrick Johnson said:
All these shots can be hit the same way - the only real difference between them is whether they're rotating backwards, forward or not at all when they hit the object ball.

Here's a drawing that shows the same shot changing from one kind into another just by the distance it travels (as the draw wears off and changes into follow):

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As I said before, if the CB hits the OB straight on while the CB is skidding (with no backward or forward rotation) it will stop. It must have some forward rotation to carry it forward because hitting the OB stops it dead.

pj
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Nice chart...

I noticed the "drag draw" shot.

I think should be mentioned....

Very similar to the stun-forward shot....you can also play a stun-back shot.

For short draws back...(about the same distance as the stun-forward) you don't always need to hit extreme low on the ball...

Many times when near the OB...Instead of hitting extreme low and slowing your stroke down...(which can lead to a miscue)...you can hit (with a more normal stun shot type speed) with a half tip of draw and the CB will only draw back about a roll or two.

The whole concept of the stun-forward or stun-backward...is to allow the shooter to use his normal most consistent stroke speed......However...being able to hit on the CB where you intend is very important with these two shots....JMO
 
I love this shot, but if you can get shape without having to add speed just to get draw, that exists only to slow your speed?... why not just shoot at the speed required?

like someone else said, you could shoot this if your table wasnt level or you're trying to get a ton of slow spin off the rail. You'll see the latter a lot, but not much on straight in shots. Not much point.
 
why not just shoot at the speed required?

you could shoot this if your table wasnt level
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Lots of tables aren't perfectly level (or don't have perfectly smooth cloth), and you don't always know which one until you try to slow-roll a shot. If you don't have to risk it, why do it?

Another reason even for your home table is that you can shoot the shot within your "comfort zone" speed.

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Watch just about any of O'Sullivan's 147s and you are almost sure to see this shot come up several times.
 
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