A Sincere Apology to AZB Members.

I didn't think there was anything wrong with that move. I laughed too.

I'll give you an example of something that I witnessed that is almost the same.

I was looking after a league intermediate tourney for the LO.

There was a cluster of 3 balls. 2 high guarding a low ball. The shooter didn't want to try and shoot his low ball for all he would be doing is definitely giving a BIH and breaking out his opponents balls.

He shot the cue ball right into a pocket giving a BIH but putting the onus on his opponent to hit his balls, thus breaking out his ball.
There was no way that even with ball in hand that the shooter could have done anything but either break the balls out or he could have played a saftey, and then the incoming player probably would have intentionally fouled again.

Now, do you think this was a cheesy move or was it actually good strategy?

Was it any different than the move that Shooter put back on his opponent?

Now, the incoming player could have done the same and shot the cue ball back into a pocket thus giving BIH back to the original fouler. If this would have went back and forth, it would have resulted in a stale mate and a re rack. I've seen that happen a couple of times as well.

The thing is, Shooter apologized for something that he needn't. All he did was start a thread and tell a story of something that happened to him on the weekend. Now he feels bad for doing it.
 
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Now that I think about it, according to his rules you could of made this game much shorter. On your very first shot, pick up the cue ball and corner hook him like you did, then pick up all your object balls and throw them into pockets. Then turn to him and say "your shot". Now all you have left is the 8 ball!
 
Thank you for the nice comments and support on this thread.

AZ is like my second home at times and just like 'real life' I pretty much hate controversy. I'm not much of an 'keyboard cowboy' - if you meet me I am pretty much exactly like my online persona.
 
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In the "cowboy's" bar rules, there was NO ball-in-hand fouls, so essentially, he had to shoot the cueball from where bigshooter placed it. He also just wanted him to shut his barking up about playing a game with him.

I think a LOT of people misinterpreted the "spirit" of the move in which bigshooter used in the game scenario of his other thread. It was more of a tongue-in-cheek type of move to basically show the cowboy how ridiculous a NO BIH game can get. ...
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Oh I got the "spirit" of bigshooter's move and have done off the wall things like that when I first used to shoot at the cowboy bar near me (the only table in town) in order to show how ridiculous some rules are. Fortunately, my now best friend and pool shooting buddy was working as a bartender at the place when I first moved into town and took me aside and explained his and others concept about how acting that way was "morally" wrong. I never bought into the concept but quickly learned to play by their rules (when in Rome) when there and now play elsewhere with the typical BIH rules (league, tournaments, etc.).

Edit: A story bigshooter might enjoy. One of the local bar's top shooters claimed in front of the crowd that I lost a challenge table game because I didn't touch the 8-ball with the cue ball when I had to kick at it therefore I table scratched and therefore I scratched on the 8-ball and lost to him. I just smiled and put up my quarters to challenge him again when it was my turn. Then he wondered what the heck I was doing the next time we played because every time it was my turn I didn't try to sink any of my balls but instead built a fence of my balls around the 8-ball. Then when it was his turn to shoot on the 8-ball there was no way he could hit it. So, I declared him a loser and he went ballistic. Ah, the fun of messing around with bar room players and having them admit that the rule they claimed to have beaten you with previously was totally bogus and that they had just made it up.

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And yes bigshooter and cowboy weren't playing the usual BIH anywhere on the table for a foul.

After thinking about it I was wrong above thinking that the cowboy should have had BIH in the kitchen for the foul. Technically, that is only the case for scratching the cue ball in a pocket or jumping the cue ball off the table.

If you disturb any ball on the table, it's a foul but the cue ball stays where it is.

If you don't hit the cue ball first, same thing.

However, if I was the cowboy (assuming they were playing on a bar table), I may well have argued that after I scratched the cue ball came to rest in the cue ball return. So, once bigshooter fouled by shooting his object ball in with his cue, I would have just picked up the cue ball and put it back in the cue ball return hole where it came to rest after the previous shot and then taken BIH in the kitchen. And, then crowed about chicken$hit pool to the rest of the bar and let bigshooter know that there was now a new house rule. That's how houserules are born and if you don't like it move on.
 
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I suffered severe psychological damage from your original post and nothing short of $100 dollars to my paypal will repair the damage to my fragile psyche.
 
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