A story about nittiness...........have we come to THIS?

Timberly said:
Sure he plays as good as the pro's but he's not playing on a pro circuit. There's plenty of "PRO's" out there.... Tony Watson, Stevie Moore, Scott Frost, etc... they don't play on any circuit, they're not sponsored by anyone and they gamble. Why is it ok for them to do it and not other's? There's plenty of players from "back in the day" that everyone knows because they were the best and they were on the road hustling pool. Back then very few of them played on the pro circuit because it would knock their action. They're hailed as hero's in the pool world and the guy we're talking about that's doing the same thing is being thrown under the bus. What happend is a way of life in the pool world, regardless of who the player is. There's always going to be someone better than you and someone worse than you. There's quite a few pro players on the circuit that don't gamble anymore and there's some that still do. I don't see anyone else knocking the guys on the circuit that gamble so why knock a guy that doesn't play on the circuit, isn't making big scores at all the tournaments, and happens to have a real job? It doesn't make any sense why it's ok for everyone else that's doing it but not this guy. :confused:
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What he was doing is not gambling, it was more of a con game. Sure lots of poolplayers do it but to a lot of us it is a lowlife move. I have won plenty and have never had to resort to hiding who I was or pretending I couldn't play to do it. Someone of his caliber should be able to step up, let it be known who he is, give weight and win. He could probably even give up the nuts and then outrun them in a lot of instances. Plus the fact he had a backer and wasn't even playing on his own dime makes it all the more absurd.
It might have made sense if he was really broke and needed to pull a hustle in order to eat but if the situation was how it was described it doesn't make sense unless they thought they could make a big score somehow.

Wayne
 
wayne said:
What he was doing is not gambling, it was more of a con game. Sure lots of poolplayers do it but to a lot of us it is a lowlife move. I have won plenty and have never had to resort to hiding who I was or pretending I couldn't play to do it. Someone of his caliber should be able to step up, let it be known who he is, give weight and win. He could probably even give up the nuts and then outrun them in a lot of instances. Plus the fact he had a backer and wasn't even playing on his own dime makes it all the more absurd.
It might have made sense if he was really broke and needed to pull a hustle in order to eat but if the situation was how it was described it doesn't make sense unless they thought they could make a big score somehow.

Wayne
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Without the other side of the story we don't know all the details. We've all given our views on what little we know. I'm content to agree to disagree. Have a good night. :)
 
Before we "lose the language", maybe we need to clarify what it takes to be a "nit". IMO, a "nit" is someone who: quits you when you're stuck for no reason other than lack of heart; screams for weight/more weight after losing a set 7-6; stiffs you on a bet (primarily a side-bet since anyone who doesn't post the dough in a match is just asking for trouble); announces the game and, when you agree, backs off and starts "nitting" (I know I'm old school on this one, but I HATE this, and it happens way too much); refuses to pay the time for a busted opponent. If what was described in the thread-starter is considered "nitty", then every member of the Billiards Hall of Fame and every top player I've ever known or heard of is, by definition, a "nit". Wow. Imagine, Cornbread Red is now a "nit" because he used unsavory tactics (like not wearing a "Hi, I'm Cornbread Red" hat) to bring home the cheese. Having tried to make pool my profession many years ago, I know firsthand how tough it is, and have the utmost respect for ALL the pros who have the guts and heart to go the distance. NONE of them are nits.
 
jnav447 said:
Imagine, Cornbread Red is now a "nit" because he used unsavory tactics (like not wearing a "Hi, I'm Cornbread Red" hat) to bring home the cheese.
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LMFAO!! That made me laugh out loud.

BTW, I too agree with your definitition of a nit, I just picked a different battle. ;)
 
Well "Danny Charles" never did lie. That is his name he just didnt give his full name.
The deformation of character you are pronouncing over 50 bucks is uncalled for. I understand letting your friend know of his ignorance, but to drag Danny's name through the mud , like you are doing puts you out of line.

Ten years ago I had something very similar happen to myself. I played at "Raytown Recreation" (in KCMO area) everyday. One day I walked in and on table 8 I noticed this guy that looked like "Juan Valdez" I had no idea who he was. Doug, the owner of Raytown said "Scott you should go ask that guy to play some, he will probably play cheap. So eventually I did, I asked if he wanted to play some $5 nine ball. He said Ok. I won the break, and it was
3-0 before he even got to the table. In game 4 I missed the 5 ball and left a shot. "Juan" said Oh, you shouldn't have missed. Long story short I end up losing 80 bucks to know other than who.....?
Efren Reyes. Did I get mad? No. I was actually relieved that I just got drilled by such a player, and it only cost me 80 bucks for a story for life. Every body in the hall got a good laugh and was entertained. Did anyone call Efren a "Nit"? No. Was everyone in the hall in on it? Yes.
Kind of ironic, I told Charles Daniel this story about 6 weeks ago. Never did I realize this would be grounds for qualifying as a nit. If that is the case I guess you can say that Danny and Efren have something in common.
 
Scottster said:
Well "Danny Charles" never did lie. That is his name he just didnt give his full name.
The deformation of character you are pronouncing over 50 bucks is uncalled for. I understand letting your friend know of his ignorance, but to drag Danny's name through the mud , like you are doing puts you out of line.

Ten years ago I had something very similar happen to myself. I played at "Raytown Recreation" (in KCMO area) everyday. One day I walked in and on table 8 I noticed this guy that looked like "Juan Valdez" I had no idea who he was. Doug, the owner of Raytown said "Scott you should go ask that guy to play some, he will probably play cheap. So eventually I did, I asked if he wanted to play some $5 nine ball. He said Ok. I won the break, and it was
3-0 before he even got to the table. In game 4 I missed the 5 ball and left a shot. "Juan" said Oh, you shouldn't have missed. Long story short I end up losing 80 bucks to know other than who.....?
Efren Reyes. Did I get mad? No. I was actually relieved that I just got drilled by such a player, and it only cost me 80 bucks for a story for life. Every body in the hall got a good laugh and was entertained. Did anyone call Efren a "Nit"? No. Was everyone in the hall in on it? Yes.
Kind of ironic, I told Charles Daniel this story about 6 weeks ago. Never did I realize this would be grounds for qualifying as a nit. If that is the case I guess you can say that Danny and Efren have something in common.
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off subject....

is raytown rec still open? i used to live in kc and still have lots of family there to this day and my friends and i used to go in there a lot just to shoot a little. isn't doug's father an ex-champ or something?
 
bud green said:
Personnally. I like stories about guys dressing up as tugboat captains, car mechanics,etc... and robbing some folks.
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Hi Bud,
me too.I like the Domino`s delivery boy dress.:D
 
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money games and "nittiness"?

This post is from someone who admittedly only plays cheap sets(admittedly because i am not very good) but it seems to me if you go out to play money games this is all part of the risk.If you want to gamble then it is your responsibility to "know what time it is" around you including the fact that hustles happen.You cant glorify it on one hand and then make it evil when it works against you.M.S
 
Raytown Rec is still open. Not 24/7 however. Doug, and his Father, Don, are both Champion 3C players.
On topic: The more I thought about this post today, the more angry I got. Danny was not in any way supposed to announce his presence. That is flat out rediculous. Plus, if he did walk in the joint and say Hi, I am Danny _______ any one in the place gets the 7 out, or 10-6 and the hit in 1 hole, this topic would be titled, "What an egotistical ass this guy is. Who does he think he is?"
I am also sure Danny had an angry look on his face because you just knocked his action, then have the balls to ask him what he has been up to recently. Then have the odacity to get on the internet and call him a nit.
He does not like bar tables. Then why did he play on them a couple of years ago? Well, when pool is your source of income you have to take part in tourneys even if you dont like the equipment they are played on.

FWIW I bet Danny was really enjoying playing those cheap sets anonymously. He wasn't Stealing, he was enjoying the game of pool.
 
Scottster said:
He does not like bar tables. Then why did he play on them a couple of years ago? Well, when pool is your source of income you have to take part in tourneys even if you dont like the equipment they are played on.

Mike Davis commented at DCC how much he didn't like playing on them. He lost to Corey Harper the 1st round and forfeited the 2nd round because he just had no desire. He ended up going to play at JOB's... they do what they have to do to survive.

FWIW I bet Danny was really enjoying playing those cheap sets anonymously. He wasn't Stealing, he was enjoying the game of pool.
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Exactly. It's an extremely rare case where he can go into a pool room and some guy willing to bet doesn't know who he is.... I would've enjoyed that small bit of annonymity if I were him too. :p
 
vivalaraza said:
you are right. fiddy bucks is not really anything to lose and if you play a pro and are only out 50 then you should consider yourself lucky. but the reason he only lost 50 is because i told him who he was playing; they were on their way to losing several hundred if the game continued. was that knocking "danny's" action? yes i guess it was a little but i just wanted my good friend to know who he was up against. he could have kept playing if he wanted to i just wanted to let him in on the big secret that everyone was keeping. i only did this because he was a very good friend of mine and i suspect most of you on here would have looked out for your homies the same way.

timberly, were you there? one of the MO guys told us that everyone in the room was in on it. honestly, i cannot believe that they found two suckers that had never seen this guy; THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE WAS WHEN I TOLD THEM HIS REAL NAME! tommy d and i told them from now on not to play ANYONE without one of us there:cool:
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If it takes your friend losing several hundred to realize hes in a bad game, were addressing the wrong issue here, Ill fire a hundred at almost anyone but I assure you I wont "go off" like a sky rocket in flight, dumping several hundred into a snake pit that I cant fish it back out of. However, I do commend you for telling "Joe" he was in a bad game
 
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Telling a VERY good friend or relative that he/she is in a bad game is cool--IN PRIVATE. Doing it front of Mr. Charles is a MISTAKE. It puts him in a position that necessitates a responce of some kind. Also,IMO, Mr. Charles probably had no idea he was gambling with everyday joes and his eaening potential was low. When he was sold the game by the trappers the income potential could have been overstated. Unless he just felt like playing he probably would have passed if he knew the max score was a couple of hun. Keep in mind that we who gamble with strangers are sharks. Sharks come in in many sizes and with varying hunting/killing skills. Joe is probably a developing nerf shark while Mr. Charles is close to the top of the food chain. If you stay in action this WILL happen again. When in action with a GREAT WHITE pay attention--U can learn a lot. I've swam with Florence,W.Crain,S.Cook,Hall,Stevens,Miller,Goff,Roberts that I know of. There were others that played like whodathunkit whose identities I don't know. I guess what I'm saying is sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets U. Ha--it's all good
 
You say they played for $50 - right. But didn't they start at $50 and when your guy won they raised it to $100 and who knows how high it would have gone if you didn't open your yap.

But your guy played two whole sets so he should have known the guys speed by then - right. And why did you wait until your guy lost before you told him who he was playing?

And when he found out who the guy was why did he stop? You say he will play anyone. Evidently that is not the case. He will only play someone he feels he can beat.

Nothing wrong with that. But what is the big deal? Is your boy crying over this as much as you are? Do the locals know he is such a bad loser? Are they all having a good laugh about pulling one over on him? Are his pool hustling days over?

Yeah, Danny is from MO. And that is the "show me" state. And I guess he showed you.

Jake
 
Have you guys ever heard of Scotty Townsend?

If he pulled this off would you still be as mad. Of course I wouldn't want to be in your shoes if you went off on him like you are going off on Danny.

Jake
 
Thanx for the post Tommy. I would have played him $50.00 dollar sets even if he had told me who he was. The way I saw it, after the hustle he tried to put me in, he wasn't worth my time anyways. But, I'm sure we'll run into each other again. Maybe I'll be the one giving a spot then. thanx again.. Little Joe
 
Little Joe said:
The way I saw it, after the hustle he tried to put me in, he wasn't worth my time anyways.
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What part of "this is a way of life in the pool world" are you people not getting? If you're going to play for money this is a risk you take. Danny isn't the first person to do this and he won't be the last. You guys are just pissed because you were had. Guess what? You're not the first ones to be had and you're not the last. GET OVER IT and STOP trying to make DANNY look like a bad person because he pulled one over on you. SHEESH PEOPLE! STFU, it's not like he took your rent money or your kids food money. He took the money that YOU LOST TO HIM BECAUSE YOU PLAYED HIM. I don't recall hearing there was a gun involved.

Just drop it and quit trying to ruin someone's name because you're embarrassed that you didn't know who he was and he won a lousy $50 or $100 or whatever it was off of you!
 
jjinfla said:
Anybody know why Danny is not playing in a qualifier? Does he need a sponsor?

Jake
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He's not playing by choice. It's not about the money.
 
Scottster said:
Raytown Rec is still open. Not 24/7 however. Doug, and his Father, Don, are both Champion 3C players.
On topic: The more I thought about this post today, the more angry I got. Danny was not in any way supposed to announce his presence. That is flat out rediculous. Plus, if he did walk in the joint and say Hi, I am Danny _______ any one in the place gets the 7 out, or 10-6 and the hit in 1 hole, this topic would be titled, "What an egotistical ass this guy is. Who does he think he is?"
I am also sure Danny had an angry look on his face because you just knocked his action, then have the balls to ask him what he has been up to recently. Then have the odacity to get on the internet and call him a nit.
He does not like bar tables. Then why did he play on them a couple of years ago? Well, when pool is your source of income you have to take part in tourneys even if you dont like the equipment they are played on.

FWIW I bet Danny was really enjoying playing those cheap sets anonymously. He wasn't Stealing, he was enjoying the game of pool.
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ON TOPIC:

what a pompous a**. i don't know how many times i have to say this. ALL I DID WAS TELL MY FRIEND HE WAS GETTING HUSTLED BECAUSE HE DID NOT KNOW WHO HE WAS PLAYING. i understand the ways of hustling and if it had been anyone else or someone i didn't like i would have sat back and enjoyed it like everyone else. i didn't call danny a nit. i said that i did not think that danny even concocted the scheme. i believe him when he said he was just passing through. the owners of the place just saw him and decided to have fun with joe. you do not know what you are talking about. if you still don't understand i will come to raytown rec next time i am in kc and explain it to you. que culero!
 
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