A story about nittiness...........have we come to THIS?

I could be wrong here but I think you're taking the criticism that is directed at Tommy-D as being personally directed at you. I keep seeing people bring up things that Tommy-D said, not you. I do have to ask where is he? He started the post and here you've been taking all the heat.... Tommy hasn't been on this thread in 3 days....
 
Yes, I was referring to Tommy. Timberly and JJ, Danny is headed to Marietta with that gentleman from Arkansas, whom is sponsoring him.
 
1. Not saying who you are is a moral wash.
2. Saying your name is so and so with the intent of deception is slimey.
3. Throwing a cheap set with the intention of raising the bet, and winning is slimey.
4. Being "in" on it, is slimey, but points to popular disdain for the mark. Whether the reason for that disdain is justified or not is another question. Moral wash.
5. Driving an hour to play "X" takes balls... Unless of course you were told X was a mark. Moral wash.

In the grand scheme of things, pool is a shady game, and everyone that has played it and most who don't know this. Anyone participating in GAMBLING on pool has no room to cry about getting beat in ANY respect. If you expect that anyone you do not know is going to take the moral highroad while GAMBLING on pool, you have left your brain at the door if you had one to begin with. From the perspective of the sucker or his allies, this makes points 2 and 3 a moral wash as well. They took their chances. They GAMBLED.

From the perspective of the hustler, he should probably rethink his outlook on life, as it is certainly somewhat anti-social.

From my perspective, I have never hidden my abilities or purposefully deceived someone to win their money at pool, however I have been at the receiving end of many a beating, and I have actually enjoyed watching some of the clever traps close in on me. Sometimes money just isn't all that important.

However, since this guy and his friends were technically hustled, I have no beef with him coming to the world to tell his tale, whether or not you view him as a whiner or reporter is up to you.
 
SphinxnihpS said:
However, since this guy and his friends were technically hustled, I have no beef with him coming to the world to tell his tale, whether or not you view him as a whiner or reporter is up to you.
Nothing wrong in reporting it, just the way it was reported. (that's just my opinion)

Scottster said:
Yes, I was referring to Tommy. Timberly and JJ, Danny is headed to Marietta with that gentleman from Arkansas, whom is sponsoring him.
That's GREAT news! Thanks Scott!
 
> I've been keeping up with it,but haven't had anything else to say about it. In my original post I made it clear that I thought Joe and Jeremiah were at fault for not knowing who Danny was,especially since Joe has watched all 4 Accu-Stats videos I have with him in it. I am still 100% sure of that fact. Danny has always seemed to be a high quality person to me,in addition to being a great player. If anyone else had told me this story,with him in the middle of it,I'd have dismissed it as preposterous. I can dig the idea of him trying to make extra cash while on the road,as well as him flying under the radar as far as not being recognized,believe me. It just blew my mind that he allowed this move the locals planned to take place with him as the centerpiece. I would have honestly expected him to blow it right out of the water,made it known who he is,made a fair game with an opponent he had to know was overmatched,and make the best of it,rather than have a nitty move by the locals play out with him associated. It made no sense to me at the time,hence the confusion that caused the original post. This was obviously a time to take a closer look at the situation,and how it was presented. I will learn from this,and wear the a**hole tag for a few days,no hard feelings towards anyone. As far as I'm concerned,this is finished. Tommy D.
 
Too bad we can't get Danny's side of the story.

As everyone knows there is always three sides to every story. And we only heard one side.

Then too, perhaps Danny got a bit miffed that he played two sets and no one recognized him. Doesn't bode well for the state of Pool. A top 30 or so pro who has appeared in matches on TV and no one recognizes him. He must have been wearing a disguise.

But seriously, I wouldn't be as pissed with Danny as I would with your friends in that pool room. It looks like there is no one there that you guys can trust. What did you do to them to piss them off so much that they wanted to see you fall? Perhaps it is time you guys found another pool room to hang in.

Glad to hear Danny is going to play in the qualifier. Hope he plays well and wins a slot.

Jake
 
Scottster said:
Raytown Rec is still open. Not 24/7 however. Doug, and his Father, Don, are both Champion 3C players.
On topic: The more I thought about this post today, the more angry I got. Danny was not in any way supposed to announce his presence. That is flat out rediculous. Plus, if he did walk in the joint and say Hi, I am Danny _______ any one in the place gets the 7 out, or 10-6 and the hit in 1 hole, this topic would be titled, "What an egotistical ass this guy is. Who does he think he is?"
I am also sure Danny had an angry look on his face because you just knocked his action, then have the balls to ask him what he has been up to recently. Then have the odacity to get on the internet and call him a nit.
He does not like bar tables. Then why did he play on them a couple of years ago? Well, when pool is your source of income you have to take part in tourneys even if you dont like the equipment they are played on.

FWIW I bet Danny was really enjoying playing those cheap sets anonymously. He wasn't Stealing, he was enjoying the game of pool.

That was my point exactly. These guys don't even know the definition of a nit. FIFTY DOLLARS. They are whining about FIFTY FRIGGIN DOLLARS. Hey vivalaraza and the other dude, why don't you go to every pro player and call them a nit to their face. They have all done the same thing as Danny, thousands of times. And alot of them still do it when they have the opportunity. How can you guys call yourselves pool players? Man, I have not been this disgusted in a long time.
 
> I wasn't whining about losing anything,I wasn't there,and if I had been,wouldn't have said a word about losing to Danny. Be disgusted as you want. As far as me calling Danny specifically a nit,nothing could be further from the truth. I thought the MOVE was nitty,not him. Tommy D.
 
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Scottster said:
Well "Danny Charles" never did lie. That is his name he just didnt give his full name.
The deformation of character you are pronouncing over 50 bucks is uncalled for. I understand letting your friend know of his ignorance, but to drag Danny's name through the mud , like you are doing puts you out of line.

Ten years ago I had something very similar happen to myself. I played at "Raytown Recreation" (in KCMO area) everyday. One day I walked in and on table 8 I noticed this guy that looked like "Juan Valdez" I had no idea who he was. Doug, the owner of Raytown said "Scott you should go ask that guy to play some, he will probably play cheap. So eventually I did, I asked if he wanted to play some $5 nine ball. He said Ok. I won the break, and it was
3-0 before he even got to the table. In game 4 I missed the 5 ball and left a shot. "Juan" said Oh, you shouldn't have missed. Long story short I end up losing 80 bucks to know other than who.....?
Efren Reyes. Did I get mad? No. I was actually relieved that I just got drilled by such a player, and it only cost me 80 bucks for a story for life. Every body in the hall got a good laugh and was entertained. Did anyone call Efren a "Nit"? No. Was everyone in the hall in on it? Yes.
Kind of ironic, I told Charles Daniel this story about 6 weeks ago. Never did I realize this would be grounds for qualifying as a nit. If that is the case I guess you can say that Danny and Efren have something in common.
WOW! Is Raytown Recreation still around? Is it still in the same "underground" location? Now, THAT was/is a pool hall!! :cool:

Oops. Sorry. I didn't read the rest of the thread. Question answered.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
That was my point exactly. These guys don't even know the definition of a nit. FIFTY DOLLARS. They are whining about FIFTY FRIGGIN DOLLARS. Hey vivalaraza and the other dude, why don't you go to every pro player and call them a nit to their face. They have all done the same thing as Danny, thousands of times. And alot of them still do it when they have the opportunity. How can you guys call yourselves pool players? Man, I have not been this disgusted in a long time.


i'll delete this post because after viewing it a couple of times it was a little harsh.

i just won't even justify this with a response.

jodanse pinches cabras!
 
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Hello Tom D

I read your article about the game I played in Carurthesville, I must say that you are one of those people who tell a story off of what they have heard and not seen. For the forum reader's this story made me sound like a hustler, I'm not a hustler by nature and am no longer a pro. While on my way to a very insignificant qualifier I did stop at a pool room called The money ball in downtown Caruthrsville MO, and ran into a young fellow who knew me from a tournament at Memphis. The young man and I played a few games of snooker and I showed him a few pointer's about the game, he said he knew someone that would play me and that he would call them, It was his idea for me to gamble not mine I was not even planning on staying in that area. I told the young man that when they asked my name to just say my name is Charles, when the player arrived he had a pregnant girlfriend and I lost the first set not on purpose but because of a guilty concious. I think that sometimes when you become a pro people stereotype you and are afraid of you, I have hustled pool before and did not like hiding my speed that is why I became pro. The fellow they called in to play me was in fact a decent player, when I lost the first set I snaped and decided to win and yes I did up the bet on the second set. I did say my name was Charles which is my first name I heard them call me that as I was growing up and getting into trouble. Which is kind of ironic because when I'm traveling on the road I am succeptable to getting into mischuff and backing up my ego, the truth is I was trying to win the first set against your buddy, this trip was a mistake and now I realize that I don't belong on the IPT nor do I want to be apart of it anymore. In this day and age I would not be happy for someone to say that I am a 'professional pool player' or would I want them to say that I'm a 'hustler.'
But I am a solid $ player so if your friend lost a whopping $50.00 and gave me enough gas $ to get where I was going then so be it. When I was becoming a player I loved to compete against someone who might play better than me. When I was 15 Joe Salazer came through my home town and convinced me that I was unable to win at that time, but after the loss I was told that I did not stand a chance and that bla bla blah I was playing a champion. Well my friend lost some $ on the side but we did not go crying about it on the Internet like you. Lighten up a little and realize that were all trying to make it as best as we can, also do not forget if you ever see me at a pool table I am allway's trying to win. You can talk your gossip but know that I wiil not hesitate when am offered a game or a chance to make $ with pool in an ethical way.
Good Day, Danny Harriman
 
Kinda sad

All this whining about $50 or $100? Ummm, I think the whole point behind hustling/ gambling on pool is either you're going to win or lose. So that means either you are trying to take advantage of someone..or someone is doing the reverse. Both parties are grown adults and should behave that way. Danny has no obligation to have a resume tattooed on his chest and display it when ordered to. I know of not a single player that comes into a place, announces their name, nickname, famous matches they've won etc. If both are adults, shut up and play and learn from the experience. I bet most the kids in my pool room would not know who Efren Reyes was. Quit crying people. Some people obviously play for money outside of their comfort zone and are just embarrassed to admit it. My comfort zone is usually a bottle of soda. Never had any public displays or crying because of it. Danny has played in my pool room in Saint Louis several times and I have NEVER had a problem with him. Many people know him but Ive never heard a public announcement of "Springfield Danny has entered the building!" He is always polite and courteous. That is WAY above the curve on most hustlers, players in this sport right there. Keep shooting Danny! Best of luck to you. :)
 
Knockers

After spending years on the road I can say that without a doubt the most hated denizen of pool rooms across the country is " THE KNOCKER "
You can ignore nits but knockers will ruin a game any time they get the opportunity. I've always thought it's because they want to be " smart guys" They're several notches below " pool detectives". Vivalaraza doesn't even have enough class to go to a phone to do his knocking. He prefers to announce to the whole pool room that he's what's known in every pool room in the world as vermin.
 
Several years ago, I was hanging out at a local room, and Danny Medina walked in, looking for action. The call went out for the local shortstop, who arrives, matches up, and after 8 hours of some of the best 9-ball I've seen, broke pretty much even. No one in the room but me knew that is was Danny. It took every ounce of will power I had not to knock Danny, since he and I were not really friends, just played in one of the Stardust tournements together years ago. Anyway, net result was: Danny thanked me effusively for not ratting him out; later, when I was wondering if I'd done the wrong thing, I told the shortstop what I'd done - his words: "If you had told me, I still would have played him, but I never would have trusted you again, I don't like people who knock players". I'm not trying to say there is NEVER a time when a little help to a close friend or relative to steer them out of a trap is appropriate, only that, in general, best pool room etiquette is to let nature take its course and stay out of things unless your money is involved.
 
Good point ...

cueandcushion said:
All this whining about $50 or $100? Ummm, I think the whole point behind hustling/ gambling on pool is either you're going to win or lose. So that means either you are trying to take advantage of someone..or someone is doing the reverse. Both parties are grown adults and should behave that way. Danny has no obligation to have a resume tattooed on his chest and display it when ordered to. I know of not a single player that comes into a place, announces their name, nickname, famous matches they've won etc. If both are adults, shut up and play and learn from the experience. I bet most the kids in my pool room would not know who Efren Reyes was. Quit crying people. Some people obviously play for money outside of their comfort zone and are just embarrassed to admit it. My comfort zone is usually a bottle of soda. Never had any public displays or crying because of it. Danny has played in my pool room in Saint Louis several times and I have NEVER had a problem with him. Many people know him but Ive never heard a public announcement of "Springfield Danny has entered the building!" He is always polite and courteous. That is WAY above the curve on most hustlers, players in this sport right there. Keep shooting Danny! Best of luck to you. :)


Pretty well sums up my thoughts. I had a similiar situation long ago here in Wichita, and after going back and forth for awhile, found out who I was playing was Omaha John. You are on your own when you chalk up.

And if that is Caruthersville, it is in Tennessee, not Missouri. I know because my ex-wife, Linda, is from Kennett, Missouri just 25 miles from
Caruthersville. I went over there one time (because I heard there was
action there), walked in, played a couple of games for $5, up it to $20
a game, had constant challengers and won over $400 in a little over
2 hours. It is where Buddy Hall was based out of for 2-3 years before
he turned Pro.
 
Snapshot9 said:
Pretty well sums up my thoughts. I had a similiar situation long ago here in Wichita, and after going back and forth for awhile, found out who I was playing was Omaha John. You are on your own when you chalk up.


Same here, Scott. Back in 85, 86, somewhere in there, our regular group was just wasting time in a pool room in Fort Smith, AR. This guy comes in wearing Overalls and a straw hat, asks if there's any cheap action. Well, first he got one guy, barely beat him, then another, then another, then ME, then the guy who was the top player around here at the time. He walks out with a few bills after a mulititude of cheap sets. Hell, we gave him our best, no problem. A few weeks later, I walk into the pool room and Larry, the owner is sitting in his office reading a pool rag of some kind (small mag they used to print in OKC in that day and time). He shows me a picture and says, "Recognize this guy?". I didn't, so he says, "Put overalls and a straw hat on him". Sure enough, it was the same guy... David Matlock, then, the "King of the Bar Box".

We all had a good laugh out of it and actually enjoyed the fact that he'd seen fit to come to our little pool room for action. I didn't think ANYTHING he did was nitty... It was POOL! That's what the pool world is, was and should be like!

By the way, I learned a lot that day watching the way he moved around the table and handled different scenarios... a lesson WELL worth what I lost.

Later,
Bob
 
jnav447 said:
Several years ago, I was hanging out at a local room, and Danny Medina walked in, looking for action. The call went out for the local shortstop, who arrives, matches up, and after 8 hours of some of the best 9-ball I've seen, broke pretty much even. No one in the room but me knew that is was Danny. It took every ounce of will power I had not to knock Danny, since he and I were not really friends, just played in one of the Stardust tournements together years ago. Anyway, net result was: Danny thanked me effusively for not ratting him out; later, when I was wondering if I'd done the wrong thing, I told the shortstop what I'd done - his words: "If you had told me, I still would have played him, but I never would have trusted you again, I don't like people who knock players". I'm not trying to say there is NEVER a time when a little help to a close friend or relative to steer them out of a trap is appropriate, only that, in general, best pool room etiquette is to let nature take its course and stay out of things unless your money is involved.

Many years ago I run into Danny Medina at a pool hall. He looked like he was a little broke. He walks up to me and looks at my game. I thought he was gong to ask me for some action He looks again and says "Hey guy do you want some lessons?" I cracked up real bad. I wasnt even good enough to hustle. What an insult! LOL!!!!!
 
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