A story about nittiness...........have we come to THIS?

> Joe didn't know who he was about to play,and if he had been told ahead of time,would have probably STILL played,just to be in action. Joe is NOT the type to go looking for easy wins,he's stepped up and played Rudolfo Luat,Tom Karabotsos and Jeff Carter before,although not for large stakes but knew who he was playing,and was not scared. I'm sure if he had got there and found some fish waiting,that an adjustment would have been made,I taught him a long time ago to take the worst of it on a spot when making a game sometimes and try to outrun it. I will agree with you on this point,as long as Joe has been around the game,he should have known who this guy was on sight,considering we've watched an Accu-Stats video with him in it. Tommy D.


I would like to play joe in that case. In fact, since your the teacher I would like to play you too.....lol

Mike
 
Nothing terribly distrubing here. Trickery and misrepresentation are basic ingredients in the action scene as surely as cheese and tomato sauce are basic ingredients in pizza.

One of the most important lessons most eventually learn in action pool is that anytime you match up against an unknown opponent, you're taking a chance.

Admittedly, it's deeply regrettable that a professional must resort to some shady, even morally objoectionable, practices to make money, but at least for the moment, it remains necessary.

Finally, I'm of the opinion that the serious action players have no more right to have their action protected than those upon whom they prey. Many of the action players think it's their divine right to have their identities and playing speed kept confidential during an action session. I disagree.
 
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There are some guys ...

that if they can not beat you on the table,
they find other ways to do it. Joe, obviously,
dented someone's ego in the past, and they
set him up to dent his.

It was a cheap lesson for $50. Don't forget it.
 
This "pro" is not ranked.... he's not a top 30 pro. He rarely plays pool anymore and actually has a job. He goes to a couple of tourney's a yr. Sure he won money recently but maybe, just maybe.... he owes money. You know us working stiff's tend to owe for things like car pymts, credit cards, etc. So what if he went along with it. I'm sure EVERY pool player out there (top ranked included) at some point in time has done this. Have you "weekend warriors" NEVER, EVER taken a game that was handed to you like that, that you knew you could win at? There's a ton of variables here that no one knows about, but here's what everyone does know..... What the player did is not the end of the world and most people wouldn't think too terribly much about this story if they overheard this player or someone else talking about it after the fact. Everyone would've had a chuckle at Joe not knowing who he was and that would've been it. But now, that's not the case. Now such a stink has been raised about him doing this for a lousy $50 that it's turning into something worse than it should. Had someone told the story of a local guy not knowing who this player was and then he played him and lost $50 to $100 everyone on here, including you guys would've laughed about it and that would've been the end. Since it was your friend that didn't know, it's not ok and the player is a scumbag and deserves to be smeared all over the interner for it? Stop it already! As someone else said, your friend shouldn't be playing people that he doesn't know. It's your friends fault....damn near anyone would've gone along with it. Esp someone so recognizable that wasn't recognized. It's a rare thing that he walks into a room & isn't known... I would've played along with it too.

Stop trying to turn the guy into a crook and spend more time showing your friend pictures and videos of players. :rolleyes:
 
jjinfla said:
I know you are dying to everyone his name.
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I have an idea who it might be just from the location and other things....

EDIT: after reading Timberly's post I'm not sure this is the guy I'm thinking of....LOLz
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sjm said:
Finally, I'm of the opinion that the serious action players have no more right to have their action protected than those upon whom they prey. Many of the action players think it's their divine right to have their identities and playing speed kept confidential during an action session. I disagree.
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I agree and the fact is, this guy is very well known and doesn't have to hide it. It's extremely rare that he's not noticed... If I were him, I would've gone along with it, simply because not being recognized never happens. Enjoy it and play while it lasts.

They keep pointing out that the guy would've played him if he knew who he was. That's also a rare thing... most people don't look at it like a chance to play a champion cheap & see how well they fare against him. There's people like that out there but the majority are not. Shawn Putnam was here this summer when he was still ranked #1.... some of the guys were lining up to play him $10 & $20 games of 9 ball & one pocket JUST to play him. One guy, who is one of the biggest fans of pool, yet never gambles a dime, wanted to play Shawn really bad. He feared betting $10...it was hysterical. He focused more on the $10 than he did the lesson and experience that he was getting.

Most of the known players run into that guy... or the guys that can actually play but don't have enough sense to look at it in a smart way. There was no way this player knew that this guy would've played him straight up with knowledge of who he was. Do you take the $50 that you (and everyone else needs) or do you say "no, before you play me, my name is really..."?
 
As far as I'm concerned, it's the law of the jungle out there as far as matching up goes. Don't know who your playing? Then you better shoot like freakin Don Willis to be sure you have no chance of losing.

What was that movies title again? Oh yeah, its called the HUSTLER.

Try and go on the road and pay for hotels, food, etc... without beating on some lower talents to pay the bills. What do you expect these guys to do, give up a bunch of weight or play world beaters and expect to survive? Fifty bucks is less than nothing for gambling in pool at the pro level, the loser should be laughing about getting off easy. That won't pay for one night in a hotel room in most areas anymore.

So much for Old School Pool around here, I guess. One minute people are upset about ruining peoples action by posting pictures or naming top gamblers, the next minute someone is saying its unfair for the gamblers to remain anonymous.

I'm pretty sure Freddie the Beard won't be sympathizing too much for the loser in the match. Personnally. I like stories about guys dressing up as tugboat captains, car mechanics,etc... and robbing some folks.
 
I usta do that!

bud green said:
I'm pretty sure Freddie the Beard won't be sympathizing too much for the loser in the match. Personnally. I like stories about guys dressing up as tugboat captains, car mechanics,etc... and robbing some folks.
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I usta do that!

Oh yeah, I just remembered, I wuz a car mechanic. :)

Hu
 
Fifty bucks is less than nothing for gambling in pool at the pro level, the loser should be laughing about getting off easy
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you are right. fiddy bucks is not really anything to lose and if you play a pro and are only out 50 then you should consider yourself lucky. but the reason he only lost 50 is because i told him who he was playing; they were on their way to losing several hundred if the game continued. was that knocking "danny's" action? yes i guess it was a little but i just wanted my good friend to know who he was up against. he could have kept playing if he wanted to i just wanted to let him in on the big secret that everyone was keeping. i only did this because he was a very good friend of mine and i suspect most of you on here would have looked out for your homies the same way.

timberly, were you there? one of the MO guys told us that everyone in the room was in on it. honestly, i cannot believe that they found two suckers that had never seen this guy; THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE WAS WHEN I TOLD THEM HIS REAL NAME! tommy d and i told them from now on not to play ANYONE without one of us there:cool:
 
> "I would like to play joe in that case. In fact, since your the teacher I would like to play you too.....lol

Mike"

> I'm really easy to find,Mike,just come to the armpit of America and ask around. Stranger or not,I play. In fact,the more anonymous you are,the more likely it is I'll play. The real question here is whether it would be worth coming to NW Tennessee to win just 200 or not,not being a nit,just betting what I can spare without hurting myself bill-wise. If not,no worries :cool: Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> Larry walks in and recognizes Joe's opponent,who is a former DCC banks winner and most recently a 100 ball runner in 14.1.
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Only Danny Harriman is a former banks winner and recent 100 ball runner at DCC unless some other 100 ball runner also won the banks sometime.

I am sure the hustle wasn't done with the idea they were only going to win $50 or they wouldn't have bothered.
 
kyle said:
IMO a pro should act like a pro.
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He's not a pro, he's a working guy that just happens to play pro calibur. He doesn't play on any tours, he's not ranked anywhere, and he's not sponsored or looking for sponsorship as best as I could tell. He's not supposed to try to make money hustling like all the other non-pro, pro-calibur people out there? If he were playing on a tour, ranked, sponsored or trying to get sponsored then that would be different.
 
Timberly said:
He's not a pro, he's a working guy that just happens to play pro calibur. He doesn't play on any tours, he's not ranked anywhere, and he's not sponsored or looking for sponsorship as best as I could tell. He's not supposed to try to make money hustling like all the other non-pro, pro-calibur people out there? If he were playing on a tour, ranked, sponsored or trying to get sponsored then that would be different.
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"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a DUCK."

"If he competes with the pros, shoots like the pros, is pro caliber, and has won pro tournaments then he is probably a PRO."

Wayne
 
wayne said:
"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a DUCK."

"If he competes with the pros, shoots like the pros, is pro caliber, and has won pro tournaments then he is probably a PRO."

Wayne
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Sure he plays as good as the pro's but he's not playing on a pro circuit. There's plenty of "PRO's" out there.... Tony Watson, Stevie Moore, Scott Frost, etc... they don't play on any circuit, they're not sponsored by anyone and they gamble. Why is it ok for them to do it and not other's? There's plenty of players from "back in the day" that everyone knows because they were the best and they were on the road hustling pool. Back then very few of them played on the pro circuit because it would knock their action. They're hailed as hero's in the pool world and the guy we're talking about that's doing the same thing is being thrown under the bus. What happend is a way of life in the pool world, regardless of who the player is. There's always going to be someone better than you and someone worse than you. There's quite a few pro players on the circuit that don't gamble anymore and there's some that still do. I don't see anyone else knocking the guys on the circuit that gamble so why knock a guy that doesn't play on the circuit, isn't making big scores at all the tournaments, and happens to have a real job? It doesn't make any sense why it's ok for everyone else that's doing it but not this guy. :confused:
 
Timberly said:
Sure he plays as good as the pro's but he's not playing on a pro circuit. There's plenty of "PRO's" out there.... Tony Watson, Stevie Moore, Scott Frost, etc... they don't play on any circuit, they're not sponsored by anyone and they gamble. Why is it ok for them to do it and not other's? There's plenty of players from "back in the day" that everyone knows because they were the best and they were on the road hustling pool. Back then very few of them played on the pro circuit because it would knock their action. They're hailed as hero's in the pool world and the guy we're talking about that's doing the same thing is being thrown under the bus. What happend is a way of life in the pool world, regardless of who the player is. There's always going to be someone better than you and someone worse than you. There's quite a few pro players on the circuit that don't gamble anymore and there's some that still do. I don't see anyone else knocking the guys on the circuit that gamble so why knock a guy that doesn't play on the circuit, isn't making big scores at all the tournaments, and happens to have a real job? It doesn't make any sense why it's ok for everyone else that's doing it but not this guy. :confused:
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i can't picture scott frost playing a $50 set. if tony or any of those guys had been in the exact same situation we would be saying the same thing. we are talking about kiddie sh*t. i said earlier that i don't believe that "danny" was an instigator in the whole thing. he was probably just passing through like he said and his backer DOES live just a few miles away. i believe that the guys that run the place were just trying to pull a move on joe and "danny" just happened to be there. however, "danny" did go along with the hustle and threw off the first set to let joe win.

i fully understand why the guys did it. all i did was tell my friends who the guy was, was that wrong? i ain't gonna watch my good friends get hustled. what kind of friend would that have made me?
 
vivalaraza said:
i can't picture scott frost playing a $50 set. if tony or any of those guys had been in the exact same situation we would be saying the same thing. we are talking about kiddie sh*t.
Yes, $50 isn't much but it's already been insinuated that it was/would've gotten higher had you guys not shown up. I guarantee Tony & Scott have started off small, laid down, & got the bet up. That's a common occurance.

i fully understand why the guys did it. all i did was tell my friends who the guy was, was that wrong? i ain't gonna watch my good friends get hustled. what kind of friend would that have made me?
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I'm not knocking you for telling your friend. Most do tell friends when they're in a bad game. Rachel Abbink was trying to get a game when she was in Vegas. I was helping her out, trying to goad the guy into playing her. I had absolutely no idea how good or bad the guy played, I was just having fun helping her woof at him. We just about had him talked into when a friend of mine walked over, heard what was going on and told the guy he couldn't beat her. I asked him why he was knocking her action, that he knew better than to do that. He said it was his cousin... I told him that was cool, I could understand that. If it's a relative or a good friend, I personally have no problem with it.

My issue wasn't that the friend was told, my issue was that someone felt the need to come on here and throw him under the bus and try to make him look like this horrific crook when it's something that goes on everyday in the pool world.
 
it only would have went a few hundred AT MOST. we are all small-timers around here and to win a hundred or two at one time is pretty good. we are not players but just regular people who like to play. i understand your point although the situation is a little different than the stuff you read about in "Hustler Days" or "McGoorty". but i was right to tell my friend and then "danny" got mad at me for knocking him. it was my job to look out for my friends.
 
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