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[bbb]

I don't know if that's what was meant, but it's a common misconception. Because the cue is almost never level, most side spin shots swerve at least a little. More speed allows less swerve, which looks like more squirt.

pj
chgo

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Careful testing has shown that the speed of the shot has very little effect on the amount of squirt.

On a faster shot there is less swerve to the target so there seems to be more squirt. Many people confuse the two factors.

Some people think new (slippery) cloth also causes more squirt but it is the same situation. There is later/wider swerve on new cloth so it looks like more squirt.

So if the net effect is apparent more squirt because of less swerve
Why not just play it as more squirt?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

So if the net effect is apparent more squirt because of less swerve
Why not just play it as more squirt?

How else?

pj
chgo

 

[WobblyStroke]

So if the net effect is apparent more squirt because of less swerve
Why not just play it as more squirt?

yes. it is semantics at this point as more squirt is the same as less swerve and the adjustment is the same. kinda the theme of the day.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

it is semantics at this point

Not entirely. Knowing the physical facts helps to predict/adjust - for instance, you’ll know that shooting more slowly, and/or with a more elevated cue, will “decrease squirt” (by increasing swerve) and vice verse.

pj
chgo

 

[WobblyStroke]

Not entirely. Knowing the physical facts helps to predict/adjust - for instance, you’ll know that shooting more slowly, and/or with a more elevated cue, will “decrease squirt” (by increasing swerve) and vice verse.

pj
chgo

right. but if u aim up and miss to the right with left spin all your options for correcting that remain the same no?
a) keep everything the same but aim more left
b) keep the aim and decrease speed yo letswerve take more
c) elevate a touch more to increase swerve.

the miss has the same fix(es). If Im wrong id be glad to learn something new here but i dont see how either method of aiming has an advantage over the other.

edit: i mostly rely on option a). Dropping speed isnt ideal bc i played that speedfor my shape. option c) seems a bit harder to judgethan a left or right adjustment. option a) alone works just fine.

 

[Bob Jewett]

yes. it is semantics at this point as more squirt is the same as less swerve and the adjustment is the same. kinda the theme of the day.

No, it's not semantics. Squirt and swerve are very different effects. It is important to understand the difference and it is important in play.

Squirt is the angle away from the line of the stick that the ball starts on. It can be measured in degrees. It is a single number for any particular shot. Swerve is a curved path. A curved path is a complicated thing. Those two things are very, very different.

 

[WobblyStroke]

No, it's not semantics. Squirt and swerve are very different effects. It is important to understand the difference and it is important in play.

Squirt is the angle away from the line of the stick that the ball starts on. It can be measured in degrees. It is a single number for any particular shot. Swerve is a curved path. A curved path is a complicated thing. Those two things are very, very different.

i know what they are bob. i was referring to nitpicking which componemt of a shotwent bad ads pj and pegas were going back and forth on.

what im saying is, it doesnt make a difference to me in terms of adjustments whetheri know i missed a spin shot right bc i misjudged squirt/swerve or bc i chose the wrong point to aim at. the adjustment to aim more left is the same, so i dont really care whch component exactly caused the miss since my fix is the same regardless.

edit: my bad, wrong thread. ur right. i shoulda said it might as well be semantics. cuz the words used to describe the shot change but any actionable fix for an error will be the same regardless of what caused it.