ACA - What has changed to force a friend to resign his memebership

abe

abe

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Business and freindship are two things which cause many issues in our industry. Dan Dishaw has put his best foot forward for the ACA and the since change over of a different president the organization has lost its clout. The ACA needs to be a business that follow its own by-laws and not just shrug their shoulders and say it is ok. http://www.cuemakers.org/aca-mr.htm I understand that the whole industry has changed but come on friends we need to not be unraveling the system when it is in need of a strong rope to keep everyone together rather than a hanging.
 
abe said:
Business and freindship are two things which cause many issues in our industry. Dan Dishaw has put his best foot forward for the ACA and the since change over of a different president the organization has lost its clout. The ACA needs to be a business that follow its own by-laws and not just shrug their shoulders and say it is ok. http://www.cuemakers.org/aca-mr.htm I understand that the whole industry has changed but come on friends we need to not be unraveling the system when it is in need of a strong rope to keep everyone together rather than a hanging.
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I am completely at a loss as to why someone who once was a member of the ACA would quit. I think a better question might be, "Why would anyone want to join in the fist place?". Why not just ask Dan why he decided to quit? Chances are pretty good that he would know his reasons much better than one of us.

Dick
 
I agree. Although the thread does fit under the general theme of "disparage the cuemaker." :eek: :sorry:

Martin


Michael Webb said:
This thread should be deleted, It has nothing to do with this forum..
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Pretty much any organization is going to have some politics.... I don't think hinting at problems in the "ask the cuemaker forum" is going to help much.
 
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I was unsure where this would recieve the best opinions and thoughts. The new president is shrugging his shoulders at the bylaws of the organization by taking money from cuemakers which are not full time cuemakers or have an issue or dis-agreement with any current member and I am sure there are other things that are going on under the radar, per say. What does the ACA provide a cue maker other than a better location at trade shows or better deals when buying inventory, is probably the better question to ask one self if they want to be a part of a whole or just an ant among the billions of insects.

if the moderators want to move this they can and that is fine.
 
abe said:
I was unsure where this would recieve the best opinions and thoughts. The new president is shrugging his shoulders at the bylaws of the organization by taking money from cuemakers which are not full time cuemakers or have an issue or dis-agreement with any current member and I am sure there are other things that are going on under the radar, per say. What does the ACA provide a cue maker other than a better location at trade shows or better deals when buying inventory, is probably the better question to ask one self if they want to be a part of a whole or just an ant among the billions of insects.

if the moderators want to move this they can and that is fine.
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who is the new president??
 
president

brianna187 said:
who is the new president??
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David Jocoby is the president.
Dan Dishaw, was president for several years. If he wants to drop out, [ if that's the case] it's his business, period.........

I was the founder of the ACA, and for most of you folks information, It was formed for several reasons. Mainly to bring cuemakers into the lime light. Yes, you get more exposure being a member, no question about that.

David Jocoby is a proud member and is doing a great job, he's also HONEST, and brings much intrest to the world with his in put as well as Jerry Oliver, vice president, as well as all the board members. Yes, the members get discounts, as we planned from the begining. The ACA, has gathered many collectors, and some that buy cues because of there beauty, and playiblity..Customers come from all over the world to see what we build..In doing so, non-members also benifitt from shows they attend, without being a member....

The ACA is looked upon as a large drawing card for many shows, around the states.. Yes, there's many who are not members who are great cuemakers. Clubs do not fit all of our styles.

Chris Hightower has his club, The International Cuemakers Association, and it's doing great. Both clubs are doing fine. They both have received much reconection over the years. There are those who don't need a club, good for you folks, as stated clubs are not for all.

As the founder of the ACA, I can tell all this, cuemakers that sold cues for 7 to 8 hundred dollars, before the ACA was formed, they joined the ACA and from that point on, prices went up and up, so many benifitied from the ACA without being a member, and that's great. After it was formed, we all could feed our families easier, making more money than we ever dreamed of, [except for me and my late wife, Jaince, ], who helped form the ACA...
We were both honered in March of this year,for our efforts in forming the ACA, were very proud of what we both did for ALL CUEMAKERS members or not...

Why join, was one presons question? Maybe it should be, why not join? They have rules that are pretty strict, and collectors know that, which sets a standard within the industry..Some who post here may not pass the rules to be a member.. who knows, till you try....
All of the memers, wish all cuemakers well, and the best life has to offer...
thanks for reading...
Blud
 
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Thank you Mr. Bludworth

I appreciate your input and I do have respect for the fine organization of the ACA.
 
abe said:
I appreciate your input and I do have respect for the fine organization of the ACA.
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LAST I KNEW DAVE WAS PRESIDENT HES A GREAT GUY LIKE YOU SAID HONEST AND A GENTLEMAN HOW CAN A GROUP DO BETTER THEN THAT HOWS THE STEAK HOUSE DOING ? HOPE ALL IS WELL...LEE
 
blud said:
David Jocoby is the president.
Dan Dishaw, was president for several years. If he wants to drop out, [ if that's the case] it's his business, period.........

I was the founder of the ACA, and for most of you folks information, It was formed for several reasons. Mainly to bring cuemakers into the lime light. Yes, you get more exposure being a member, no question about that.

David Jocoby is a proud member and is doing a great job, he's also HONEST, and brings much intrest to the world with his in put as well as Jerry Oliver, vice president, as well as all the board members. Yes, the members get discounts, as we planned from the begining. The ACA, has gathered many collectors, and some that buy cues because of there beauty, and playiblity..Customers come from all over the world to see what we build..In doing so, non-members also benifitt from shows they attend, without being a member....

The ACA is looked upon as a large drawing card for many shows, around the states.. Yes, there's many who are not members who are great cuemakers. Clubs do not fit all of our styles.

Chris Hightower has his club, The International Cuemakers Association, and it's doing great. Both clubs are doing fine. They both have received much reconection over the years. There are those who don't need a club, good for you folks, as stated clubs are not for all.

As the founder of the ACA, I can tell all this, cuemakers that sold cues for 7 to 8 hundred dollars, before the ACA was formed, they joined the ACA and from that point on, prices went up and up, so many benifitied from the ACA without being a member, and that's great. After it was formed, we all could feed our families easier, making more money than we ever dreamed of, [except for me and my late wife, Jaince, ], who helped form the ACA...
We were both honered in March of this year,for our efforts in forming the ACA, were very proud of what we both did for ALL CUEMAKERS members or not...

Why join, was one presons question? Maybe it should be, why not join? They have rules that are pretty strict, and collectors know that, which sets a standard within the industry..Some who post here may not pass the rules to be a member.. who knows, till you try....
All of the memers, wish all cuemkaers well, and the best life has to offer...
thanks for reading...
Blud
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Blud, I was wondering why it has been, in the past, the ACA's policy to only allow those makers who work full-time to craft cues membership into the ACA?

I ask this because there are some cue makers out there who have earned a great reputation for crafting cues of not only exceptional quality, but exceptional playability as well, who, due to family limitations or even obligations, simply cannot devote themselves to crafting cues full-time.

IMHO, would not the ACA and the end-user be better served if membership were awarded based on not only their reputations for crafting top quality cues, but for their integrity with regards to their craft and the industry as a whole?

I realize that the ACA's goal is to present/represent the best of the best the cue making world has to offer, but think it's current policy with regards to full-time makers only is causing it to 'miss the boat' with respect to some very, VERY fine part-time makers out there. Perhaps handling membership requests from part-time makers could/should be handled on a case-by-case basis, as opposed to a blanket policy disqualifying them altogther.

Lisa
 
Tony Zinzola said:
There are some part time makers on their membership roster.
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Thank you Tony...I have not checked recently. I am aware that there are a few who craft a very fine cue, who have been turned away...and the reason given was because they were a part-time/hobbyist maker.

Lisa
 
ridewiththewind said:
Thank you Tony...I have not checked recently. I am aware that there are a few who craft a very fine cue, who have been turned away...and the reason given was because they were a part-time/hobbyist maker.

Lisa
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case by case would be the way to go
 
Tony Zinzola said:
There are some part time makers on their membership roster.
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I believe that they were grandfathered in. Over the years their requirements for membership have evolved somewhat.

Dick
 
It was voted on this year at the SBE and if I remember correctly. Part time cuemakers are allowed to join but now new members have to pay something like $1000 to join and $500 dues per year for several years.
 
Chris Byrne said:
It was voted on this year at the SBE and if I remember correctly. Part time cuemakers are allowed to join but now new members have to pay something like $1000 to join and $500 dues per year for several years.
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Thank you Chris! I appreciate your response.

Lisa
 
dave

brianna187 said:
LAST I KNEW DAVE WAS PRESIDENT HES A GREAT GUY LIKE YOU SAID HONEST AND A GENTLEMAN HOW CAN A GROUP DO BETTER THEN THAT HOWS THE STEAK HOUSE DOING ? HOPE ALL IS WELL...LEE
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Dave is a great guy, and doing a great job.
As far as Dan Dishaw, who really knows what happened. It's really his business. To offen, to many folks step in and give an opinion, and that's bad, most should keep there opinions to them selves, and let the world go by. I like Mike Webb, thinks this should go away....it's not the place for it, I, only cme here to defend the ACA, it's membership and board....
blud
 
why??????

ridewiththewind said:
Blud, I was wondering why it has been, in the past, the ACA's policy to only allow those makers who work full-time to craft cues membership into the ACA?

I ask this because there are some cue makers out there who have earned a great reputation for crafting cues of not only exceptional quality, but exceptional playability as well, who, due to family limitations or even obligations, simply cannot devote themselves to crafting cues full-time.

IMHO, would not the ACA and the end-user be better served if membership were awarded based on not only their reputations for crafting top quality cues, but for their integrity with regards to their craft and the industry as a whole?

I realize that the ACA's goal is to present/represent the best of the best the cue making world has to offer, but think it's current policy with regards to full-time makers only is causing it to 'miss the boat' with respect to some very, VERY fine part-time makers out there. Perhaps handling membership requests from part-time makers could/should be handled on a case-by-case basis, as opposed to a blanket policy disqualifying them altogther.

Lisa[/QUOTE
Lisa, I really don't have a clue as to most of your questions. I, at one time resigned from the ACA, I was persident at that time. I, got cross ways with a member, and resigned. Will not explain more than that, as it's old hat, and no ones business. Both sides over the years, me, and the ACA, have forgiven each other, and we are all good friends, and that's what matters most of all. As far as, part timers, there are many who do great work, but stop and think about it, should they receive the same treatment that other FULL TIME cuemakers, receive? Yes,and No, is my answer, but I'm not to decide. The ACA has a fine group of gentelman who decide what's what. the BOARD OF DIRECTORS...
Not being in the loop so to speak, has it's benifits.
thanks for your comments....
blud
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