Old Nine Baller
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True enough but if you don't check it and contest the call then his call of "frozen" stands for your shot.
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True enough but if you don't check it and contest the call then his call of "frozen" stands for your shot.
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The way we all have always played it is once you are giving up the table to incoming player you must call ball frozen. On etiquette it was not necessarily called frozen on all subsequent shots ; however if player even looked in that direction it would be called frozen once more. Bottom line, technically speaking ball needs to be called frozen after EVERY shot in order to be able to call the foul.
This is nonsense. You are as capable of determining if a ball is frozen as your opponent is. What you seem to mean is that the only way you will admit that the ball is frozen is if he calls it.
Rolling on a ball that both you and your opponent know is frozen, then claiming that you haven't fouled because he didn't call it frozen AGAIN, might be within the rules but it's shady from start to finish. If I can't trust a player with something like this how can I trust him not to move the balls or change the score when I'm not looking, or even just steal the money? I want nothing to do with such a person.
You puff your chest as a big time gambling expert. You berate others for expecting integrity. You admit here before the pool world that you are not to be trusted. Thanks for the warning.
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The point of calling it froze after every shot is to avoid situations just as this. Maybe not everywhere but the room I came up in u had to "protect " yourself at all times. Prob 99% of the people in there would pull some kinda move on ya just as quick as to say hello - if you let them. So in the interest of keeping the bs to a minimum it was just common to do this.
Inlike that first line, funny as sheet!
Old Nine Baller
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Why would I call a ball frozen on myself? Would you? Or would you wait until your opponent called it froze and then look at it yourself and make the determination?
You simply do not gamble and don't know how people do gamble, like most others here.
ONB
Old Nine Baller
Banned
yes...
yes, I would call a ball frozen on myself, a foul I committed on myself. I will tell my opponent if I moved a ball that no one could see if he wanted to move it back and if a ball moved in it's path, I would call a foul on myself.
It's called having integrity...
Jaden
yes, I would call a ball frozen on myself, a foul I committed on myself. I will tell my opponent if I moved a ball that no one could see if he wanted to move it back and if a ball moved in it's path, I would call a foul on myself.
It's called having integrity...
Jaden
Jaden, in essence o agree with just about everything you have said - integrity, ethics etc. Problem is you cant not assume the person you are playing will have the same morality as yourself. With that being said I think thats why its a good idea ( if not the actual rule anyhow) to just call it and not have to worry about it.
Jaden, I believe all you are saying is truthful; Rick from Big Daddy's said your good people and thats good enough for me. I do have a theoretical question for you, just curious what your thoughts would benon this. Lets say your at casino playing $500 a hand blackjack using $100 checks.( 5 per hand ) and you win a hand and mistakingly dealer pays you $600 ( 6 checks ). Do you give him / her the extra one back?
I'll guess his answer to that ^ would be yes. That would be my answer, too. Of course I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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Call on every shot. A ball can become unfrozen simply be someone leaning on the table to take the shot, or even the action of other balls on the slate causing the ball to become unsettled. What if the reason it was frozen was a minuscule piece of chalk or dirt on the table and it crushed under the pressure?
It would be one thing if a turn went by, without calling it frozen again. But this happened in the same half inning after being warned the ball was frozen and it is obvious it was not disturbed on the previous shot. If I'm the ref and am called over to make a ruling I would call it a foul. It's pretty obvious from what you described that it was a foul. I will usually rule in the interest of fair play, and not allow an attempt to get around the rules be rewarded.
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Well his answer one way or the other is really unimportant to me as I only asked because I was getting a point - ill come back to that in a moment.
I consider myself a very honest person in general. Countless times friends have given me varying amounts of too much money and I have always given it right back to them. I've been out with friends and they drop money in the bar and I scoop ot right up and give it back to them.
Not just friends or people I know either. Everytime I notice a clerk gives me too much change I always give it back to them. Recently in casino I was walking by a lady playing a slot machine and there were some bills folded and laying on the floor - it was at least over $100 bucks and if all were $100 bills it would have been $400-$500. I went right over to her and asked if she was missing any money, she checked her pocket and said yes. I directed her to the money on floor. Another time a gut was walking up to a table game and as he pulled cash from his pocket a cash out slip fell to the floor and he didn't notice it and kept going. I went to him and told him.
My point is whether right or wrong I believe gambling triggers a different mentality or alters some people's ethics. That is why I believe you need to " protect " yourself whenever in any kinda action. And to be honest, as I said that I consider myself and honest person when it comes to the casino question I posed im honestly not sure what I would do - still thinking about that one lol.
I want to see you lean on a Diamond or a Gold Crown and make a ball move. Maybe if you pushed against the table really hard it could happen, but not by leaning. Sorry, no sale here.
Jay, I was a little skeptical about that one at first too until I remembered something that has happened multiple times. While not in action of course just play play I've hung a ball deep ( and I do mean deep) in a pocket I've slammed my hand on other end of table and made ball fall. This was at least a good 10 seconds after coming to a rest so I know balls have in the past fallen without any interference after a long testing period I do feel confident my slamming of hand caused it. Also I have seen many times a bid truck going down the rd in front of a place vibrate everything .
Watched Frost vs Schmidt one hole match on youtube....the one where Frost hast ten scratches, and John has +5.ball count......John is forced to two rail kick out of a trap...one of the balls he is shooting toward is called frozen, both agree. john hits the frozen ball and its a foul...he spot a ball...Scott puts him back in the same spot John shot from....he shoots the same shot hits the same ball, nothing said about it still frozen...Scott calls it a scratch,John spots another ball.....This was a tournament match with a ref.....
The ball is not considered frozen until one of the players call it frozen prior to the shot. Even if I called it frozen on a prior shot, if I let you shoot the same ball without checking, it is not frozen and my bad.
As Lou said, a simple 'Still Frozen' works.
In gambling and in life, communication can prevent a lot of problems. You're gambling and there is no referee. Why not just open your mouth and say it's still frozen? And for those who talk about what they would do to the opponent in this situation, I have two questions: How do you know that your opponent (or one of his supporters) isn't ready to go to jail (or doesn't have a get out of jail free card)? What makes more sense? Three simple words, or a potential trip to the jailhouse, the hospital or the morgue?
"Protect yourself at all times." It applies to the box as well as to the ring!
"Protect yourself at all times." It applies to the box as well as to the ring!
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