Addressing Different Cultural and Social Views on Pool

justnum

justnum

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I was doing my usual internet sleuthing, search term Sharia Billiard Law. The top three returns have AZB in it with Jam writing about women pool players.

Jam writes about the Islamic Code of Conduct. @JAM Any follow up with what happen to these women players?

I am not an official policymaker. When other governments enforce penalties or laws like in Jams article, do they knowingly break the rule? Or is the rule made to target them after it happens?

It seems there was a lack of coordination between what is happening in the pool event and what government administrators are supporting.

The American pool perspective is well documented. Players from different regions are great in competition. What would people from those regions think about pool playing as an investment? It would be good to avoid future incidents like Jam posted about. There is no need to trigger alarms that don't need sounding. Foreign countries are not as open minded as Americans.

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Texas Carom Club said:
Another justindumb thread no one’s gonna read hope you worked hard on this troll
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I am asking JAM one of the most respected writers on the forum for a follow up to her article.

The question on my mind writing the thread is: Are the female players still living and what punishments did they face?
 
justnum said:
I am asking JAM one of the most respected writers on the forum for a follow up to her article.

The question on my mind writing the thread is: Are the female players still living and what punishments did they face?
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It's really simple...

Islamic law (rooted in religious dogma written by men, like all the old/traditional religions on earth), is designed to keep women subservient to men. Women are considered property of men. With most other religions, this part of the dogma has been watered down quite a bit over the last few centuries, though true equality for women has only been a recent advancement in society.

Islam (in the Middle East anyway) is probably the only religion that still enforces strict man-made policies involving women. Women aren't allowed to swim in public. Women can't travel without their husband's consent. Women must keep themselves covered in public (only allowed to show face, hands, and feet). They must wear dull, non-flashy colors that won't attract attention. Some of these things are fading away in a few Middle Eastern territories. It all depends on whether or not strict Sharia law is being enforced.

There are so many rules that Middle Eastern Muslim women are forced to follow under Sharia. These types of rules are designed to keep women "unseen", so other men won't be tempted or attracted. That's thr old-school way of keeping your property safe from theft -- hide it or cover up it so no one can see it, and therfore no one will desire to have it.

The whole bit about banning some Muslim female pool players was primarily due to dress codes. Some tournaments forbid headwear, but Muslim women are required (because of man-made ancient laws) to keep their head covered in public. So these women have a conflict with the dress code in such tournaments.

I believe one Muslim woman was banned from competing because she was scheduled to play an Israeli, and due to Islamic religious intolerance, that's a no-go. It is probably written in law as, "No Islamic person, especially female, shall publicly mingle with (in competition or social setting) any Israelite." 🤔🤨😐
 
justnum said:
I was doing my usual internet sleuthing, search term Sharia Billiard Law. The top three returns have AZB in it with Jam writing about women pool players.

Jam writes about the Islamic Code of Conduct. @JAM Any follow up with what happen to these women players?

I am not an official policymaker. When other governments enforce penalties or laws like in Jams article, do they knowingly break the rule? Or is the rule made to target them after it happens?

It seems there was a lack of coordination between what is happening in the pool event and what government administrators are supporting.

The American pool perspective is well documented. Players from different regions are great in competition. What would people from those regions think about pool playing as an investment? It would be good to avoid future incidents like Jam posted about. There is no need to trigger alarms that don't need sounding. Foreign countries are not as open minded as Americans.

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Truth be told, I do not have any follow-up. It's been a few years since I shared this with AzBilliards. If I find out more, I will get back to this thread and post.
 
BC21 said:
It's really simple...

Islamic law (rooted in religious dogma written by men, like all the old/traditional religions on earth), is designed to keep women subservient to men. Women are considered property of men. With most other religions, this part of the dogma has been watered down quite a bit over the last few centuries, though true equality for women has only been a recent advancement in society.

Islam (in the Middle East anyway) is probably the only religion that still enforces strict man-made policies involving women. Women aren't allowed to swim in public. Women can't travel without their husband's consent. Women must keep themselves covered in public (only allowed to show face, hands, and feet). They must wear dull, non-flashy colors that won't attract attention. Some of these things are fading away in a few Middle Eastern territories. It all depends on whether or not strict Sharia law is being enforced.

There are so many rules that Middle Eastern Muslim women are forced to follow under Sharia. These types of rules are designed to keep women "unseen", so other men won't be tempted or attracted. That's thr old-school way of keeping your property safe from theft -- hide it or cover up it so no one can see it, and therfore no one will desire to have it.

The whole bit about banning some Muslim female pool players was primarily due to dress codes. Some tournaments forbid headwear, but Muslim women are required (because of man-made ancient laws) to keep their head covered in public. So these women have a conflict with the dress code in such tournaments.

I believe one Muslim woman was banned from competing because she was scheduled to play an Israeli, and due to Islamic religious intolerance, that's a no-go. It is probably written in law as, "No Islamic person, especially female, shall publicly mingle with (in competition or social setting) any Israelite." 🤔🤨😐
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It is "probably written in law" will not help any future women pool players that don't want to be banned and prefer to remain active on the competition scene.

If the pool powers don't resolve this, appealing to pool players from Islamic regions becomes tougher.

When I read Islamic laws being taught and practiced today they are clearly against gambling or association with gambling. The phrase that they used with the most interpretation is haram. Who decides what is and what is not haram comes from their spiritual leaders.

Some pool is haram and some pool is not haram. What do the Islamic female players need to know to have a full career in pool?

Does anyone know a cleric to talk about it?
 
JAM said:
Truth be told, I do not have any follow-up. It's been a few years since I shared this with AzBilliards. If I find out more, I will get back to this thread and post.
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Thanks Jam. I will look into too.
 
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justnum said:
It is "probably written in law" will not help any future women pool players that don't want to be banned and prefer to remain active on the competition scene.

If the pool powers don't resolve this, appealing to pool players from Islamic regions becomes tougher.

When I read Islamic laws being taught and practiced today they are clearly against gambling or association with gambling. The phrase that they used with the most interpretation is haram. Who decides what is and what is not haram comes from their spiritual leaders.

Some pool is haram and some pool is not haram. What do the Islamic female players need to know to have a full career in pool?

Does anyone know a cleric to talk about it?
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It is sort of amazing that you think pool might influence religion.

Shit doesn't flow that way, fantasyland.
 
Black-Balled said:
It is sort of amazing that you think pool might influence religion.

Shit doesn't flow that way, fantasyland.
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In my part of NY there is a church or place of prayer for everything.

Iranians outside of America practicing differently than Iranians inside of America, then its possible and less fantasy.
 
justnum said:
I was doing my usual internet sleuthing, search term Sharia Billiard Law. The top three returns have AZB in it with Jam writing about women pool players.

Jam writes about the Islamic Code of Conduct. @JAM Any follow up with what happen to these women players?

I am not an official policymaker. When other governments enforce penalties or laws like in Jams article, do they knowingly break the rule? Or is the rule made to target them after it happens?

It seems there was a lack of coordination between what is happening in the pool event and what government administrators are supporting.

The American pool perspective is well documented. Players from different regions are great in competition. What would people from those regions think about pool playing as an investment? It would be good to avoid future incidents like Jam posted about. There is no need to trigger alarms that don't need sounding. Foreign countries are not as open minded as Americans.

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What’s the Saudi code of conduct? Bahahahahahah! Behead journalist. Fly planes into buildings. Wipe your arse with your right hand.
 
OP is talking about rules in some pretty oppressing regimes. I think a case could be made that if these regimes could have their way without the eyes of the world judging them, women would be second class citizens and really nothing more than baby machines, cooks and house keepers.
I'm not as familiar with the Quran as with the Bible, but it's interesting to see in the Bible how often women and chattle is mentioned in the same breath..
 
Kim Bye said:
OP is talking about rules in some pretty oppressing regimes. I think a case could be made that if these regimes could have their way without the eyes of the world judging them, women would be second class citizens and really nothing more than baby machines, cooks and house keepers.
I'm not as familiar with the Quran as with the Bible, but it's interesting to see in the Bible how often women and chattle is mentioned in the same breath..
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There are few places that people are allowed to assemble in certain countries.

If a pool or snooker room is allowed in Iran, then its a chance for people to enjoy pool.

My uncle lived in the PI on a rice farm and was wheelchair bound his whole life. He had one pool table to keep him busy and motivated. I invented an air bridge but never go to show him.

Imagine all the youth in a foreign country, if pool or snooker is a permissible hobby then lets be supportive as the pool world grows culturally.

Matchroom has done so much for pool in a short time.

The Saudis bought pro golf.

Its likely Iranians may want to control a modern recreational past time.

I am curious how a Islamic family oriented pool tournament is run.
 
justnum said:
In my part of NY there is a church or place of prayer for everything.

Iranians outside of America practicing differently than Iranians inside of America, then its possible and less fantasy.
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You have no concept of everything.

Why do you incessantly splatter your mental masturbation on others? You present logically flawed conceptual theories about things that have vicarious relations and then claim those changes bring nirvana.

Islam doesn't give a shit about how America or you perceive it.
 
Black-Balled said:
You have no concept of everything.

Why do you incessantly splatter your mental masturbation on others? You present logically flawed conceptual theories about things that have vicarious relations and then claim those changes bring nirvana.

Islam doesn't give a shit about how America or you perceive it.
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Let me get back to you. This forum has secret police active.

Its important to play nice and follow the rules.
 
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