Adjust...adjust my ass

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I will probably get some flaming for this but it has bothered me for many years. Two guy or gals want to play one another for say $200 a set 9-ball race to11. I play a little better than him most of the time. I give him the call-8 and beat him two sets in a row, but just buy one or two games each time.

Now he wants the call 7&8 for the same money. I see players giving in to this all the time. What am I suppose to do keep adding to his spot until he can beat me. WTF are we trying to get in each other's pockets or is the idea to try and break even at the end? Then why play for money? This kind of gunslinger mentality adjusting and adjusting until you need a gear that you get twice a year to chase and catch the nuts is another reason why pool players are and do die broke.

Some old timers say that's the code. That doesn't make one bit of good sense. When I played for Money I wasn't in the business of trying to give the guy the best of it, I wanted the best of it. Thanks for listening. Johnnyt
 
Make the person post up for 2 more sets AND agree to go back to original game if s/he wins with 7&8.

I know, it is a dream. More than likely, I would say 'you got it next time. This is how we are playing today, pull up if you want, but we have been pretty close."

Then I'd never run out of excuses- as in never play that person again unless we play the original game- probably never play with her/ him again.
 
Johnnyt said:
I will probably get some flaming for this but it has bothered me for many years. Two guy or gals want to play one another for say $200 a set 9-ball race to11. I play a little better than him most of the time. I give him the call-8 and beat him two sets in a row, but just buy one or two games each time.

Now he wants the call 7&8 for the same money. I see players giving in to this all the time. What am I suppose to do keep adding to his spot until he can beat me. WTF are we trying to get in each other's pockets or is the idea to try and break even at the end? Then why play for money? This kind of gunslinger mentality adjusting and adjusting until you need a gear that you get twice a year to chase and catch the nuts is another reason why pool players are and do die broke.

Some old timers say that's the code. That doesn't make one bit of good sense. When I played for Money I wasn't in the business of trying to give the guy the best of it, I wanted the best of it. Thanks for listening. Johnnyt
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Now, you know good and well that you're supposed to adjust until they start winning. Then, do you think they will adjust back? Good luck with that.
 
The best is when you play $50 a set and are up a few hundred and the guy wants to change the spot and double the bet,earn your money back the same way I won it. :cool:
 
These days, I'm surprised some people don't ask the other guy to chalk their cue and pay their rent for them too.
 
just about a said:
Golden Rule - They must get out they way they got in.
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I like this one and it sums up the way I VERY occasionally gamble.

If I get up over $50 or so (I'm strickly small cash) and they want to adjust the weight, then we freeze the bet. If they want to change the bet, then there will be no changing of weight. If we change either one and we get back to even, I'm done playing with them that night. If I'm down, it won't be an issue because I won't be asking for extra weight and I won't be jacking the bet, I'll just hit my limit and call it a night.
 
Johnnyt said:
...$200 a set 9-ball race to11. I give him the call-8 and beat him two sets in a row...
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You won $400. What are you complaining about? He doesn't think he can win with the current game. Therefore he is right to quit or ask for a different spot. You don't want to give up the new spot. Therefore you would be right to quit or propose yet a different spot. Worst case scenario is you can't agree on a spot and you walk away with your $400 that was formerly his.

Sounds pretty good to me!

-Andrew
 
There are no rules. It's definitely gotten nittier since I started 25 years ago. Back then we matched up and played the same way all day. Now you match up and the other side won't freeze up anything and quits after one set or they want to adjust to ridiculous levels.

I will ONLY adjust if the game is out of line and I expect it to be adjusted if it's out of line. If I win or lose by a few games then I don't ask for an adjustment nor do I feel that I should give one.

I tell them to go and practice and come back when they can play me even.

I don't agree with adjusting until you give all the money back.

BECAUSE 100% of the time THEY won't adjust back when you start to lose.

I used to make games with varying adjustment. It's gets complicated but the adjsutments were based on how much I won or lost by. I have only done it a few times and it always results in arguments.

Here is something I did once upon a time that booked me a winner. I let a decent player play the 9 Ball Ghost on my bar table. Every set he lost he got another ball - every set he won he gave up a ball. He could only win when he was getting the five out. With the six out he won sometimes and lost sometimes. It was great and went on for a week or so and I made like $1200 off of it betting $50 a set, races to five.

But yeah the adjusting after one or two sets is annoying and aggravating.
 
JB Cases said:
I used to make games with varying adjustment. It's gets complicated but the adjsutments were based on how much I won or lost by. I have only done it a few times and it always results in arguments.
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Guys I used to play with several years ago did something like that. Whoever was down got the break. When the coin got halfway around the table (playing per game, not sets), the losing player got the 8 ball, when it got all the way around, the 7 and 8. I never saw it adjusted more then that. It always worked out well, but everyone was friends and no one ever lost more then they could afford.
 
I don't gamble very often but when I do there is no weight given and none taken. I wouldn't care if I was going up against Efren Reyes himself, I don't want a spot. I couldn't beat Efren and I'm not trying to say I would even have a chance. All I'm saying is that I hate handicapping games. If you don't play well enough to beat someone then don't gamble with them. It's as simple as that. And if you want to play me, don't even think about asking for a spot because I won't even entertain the idea.
MULLY
 
Two options

Give the 8 & 9 and change the game to 10 ball.

or

Screw the ball spot and give the player two games on the wire.

jdsons

P.S. I never gamble, so I don't even know if this makes sense..
 
What if you're up two sets and the guy is spotting you, do you adjust then?

This happened a few weeks back, I was up 4 sets on a guy and he didnt want to play anymore. Never asked to change the spot. (1 on the wire)
 
It sounds like the other guy is trying to do the same thing. Can you really blame him? All you have to do is say, "No."

Johnnyt said:
When I played for Money I wasn't in the business of trying to give the guy the best of it, I wanted the best of it. Thanks for listening. Johnnyt
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mullyman said:
I don't gamble very often but when I do there is no weight given and none taken. I wouldn't care if I was going up against Efren Reyes himself, I don't want a spot. I couldn't beat Efren and I'm not trying to say I would even have a chance. All I'm saying is that I hate handicapping games. If you don't play well enough to beat someone then don't gamble with them. It's as simple as that. And if you want to play me, don't even think about asking for a spot because I won't even entertain the idea.
MULLY
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Exactly my feeling on the subject, rep to you.
 
MinoInADixeCup said:
Guys I used to play with several years ago did something like that. Whoever was down got the break. When the coin got halfway around the table (playing per game, not sets), the losing player got the 8 ball, when it got all the way around, the 7 and 8. I never saw it adjusted more then that. It always worked out well, but everyone was friends and no one ever lost more then they could afford.
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Well, this is a way to break even. Can't pick up any coin like that, now can we?
 
This was about people I see doing this all the time. Adjusting readjusting. I know how the match up and I know how to gamble. I can't play pool anymore but I do manage to bet about an average of $700 a day seven days a week for years at the dog tracks across the country. I have been in the black every year since 1982. You think making money at pool is hard? Try Greyhound Racing. Less than 4% show a profit for the year. Johnnyt
 
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