Advice from those who are NOT Table Mechanics

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Is it just me, or is anyone else getting a little irritated with the growing trend of non-mechanics who seem to be trolling this forum and randomly offering up advice? I wonder if these same people hang out in some "Ask an M.D" forum elsewhere on the web and offer up Grandma's cure for bleeding hemorrhoids.

Maybe they just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
 
Is it just me, or is anyone else getting a little irritated with the growing trend of non-mechanics who seem to be trolling this forum and randomly offering up advice? I wonder if these same people hang out in some "Ask an M.D" forum elsewhere on the web and offer up Grandma's cure for bleeding hemorrhoids.

Maybe they just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.


LOL...I was just talking to Dartman about this very same subject. We are in the right forum? Talk To A Mechanic
 
Mechanics

Well let me say this. At the Alsip seminar there were rooms reserved for mechanics. When i got there and i was on time, the rooms had all been filled with mechanics. Later i found out that there were only a few real mechanics that were there. Now you guy's tell me how many others were there. ALOT. Needless to say this was suppose to be for mechanics.:confused::confused:
 
LOL...I was just talking to Dartman about this very same subject. We are in the right forum? Talk To A Mechanic

I think it's pretty obvious lately.
Someone combs utube, the threads or asks a bunch of questions for info to work on their personal table and when done I reckon they think they are qualified to advise others. I could name a few names of the "I did my own table and now I'm an expert" group.

Collectively we should be calling these posters out and nailing them to the wall unless they preface their so-called advice with "I'm not a mechanic but I got advice from so-and-so-mechanic and this is what he said".

Further -
Granted this is a billiards forum and I suppose there are certain expectations for members helping members which is cool however IMO it's time to start drawing the line on just how much technical info is passed on so freely by bonafide mechanics.

If a novice (you know the sort - post count less than 20) starts asking about how to extend rails or install cloth we as a group should advise them not to ask a mechanic - but to call one.
 
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I'm not a table mechanic; however this same thing just went down in the ask the cue maker section not too long ago.

It caused the rules to be tightened, and I think that has worked.

PS thanks to all the true table mechanics- you have answered questions for me, and I read a lot of posts that I do not reply to, which also enhance my understanding of the 'art' of table mechanics.

I do sell cloth... Does that qualify me? (just kidding!!)
 
i thank and respect AZ mech's like REAL KING COBRA LLC DARTMAN AND
POOLTABLE 911 to mention a few. For them to take their time to not only answer questions that really help table owners but refer us to retail stores for correct products. I live in the ST PAUL MN. area on the WI side and you could never call the main billiard store (PETERS) and get this kind of help.Maybe the Forum fathers could create a AZ Certified Mech logo on their avatars to help. My .02
 
Maybe the Forum fathers could create a AZ Certified Mech logo on their avatars to help.

I like this idea a lot! Sort of like the "PayPal verified" logo or whatever.

Whomever wants the logo, has to pass the test or whatever and then the mods grant the logo.

I like it a lot! Then, the person asking the question, or even just a visitor to the site, knows the words come from a reliable source.

It would work great for the ask the cue maker list too!
 
It really has been crazy around here. I have my list of posers! I am sure some of you noticed my near melt down with one!LOL. I think they should have a banner that reads "I am not a real mechanic,i just play one on AZ"!
 
I do sell cloth... Does that qualify me? (just kidding!!)

You may not be a mechanic, but if you sell quite a bit of cloth you may certainly be qualified to answer a question on that subject. I am a mechanic, but I don't think that's enough for me to consider myself qualified to answer all questions in this forum. For instance if someone asks about Diamond tables, my answer will always be "ask RKC".
 
You may not be a mechanic, but if you sell quite a bit of cloth you may certainly be qualified to answer a question on that subject. I am a mechanic, but I don't think that's enough for me to consider myself qualified to answer all questions in this forum. For instance if someone asks about Diamond tables, my answer will always be "ask RKC".

Just Diamonds?:grin:
 
I hear what you guys are saying, but I still think any conversation is better than no conversation, you guys that know the correct answers to the questions asked need to correct the poster so that they ALSO learn the correct answer, or we may not have anything to talk about here. It's the talking back and forth that has built the AZ Mechanic section to what it is today. I kind of remember a few years back, 3 years to be exact, when I started asking questions of the mechanics that were posting advice at the time...and no one answered my questions right:grin: so I guess what I'm saying is try not being to hard on someone posting here as they're newcomers and don't know what we've already learned as a group. Correcting someones answer that that may have been given as wrong, IS the correct thing to do from the stand point of a real mechanic...so that the poster knows beyond any shadow of a doubt...we DO know what we're talking about here:grin:

Glen
 
will the real mechanic please stand up

just my point of view : i enjoy reading all the post on az it helps me unwind
before i go to bed at night. i will be the first to say i am not a mechanic
by trade . yes there will allways be people that will call them selves
something there not . as for me i know where you are coming from
a lot of bad advice going around . i a'm not a no it all . i have worked
on tables for over 25 years just for the fun. i have helped all my friends
move , repair , recover there tables as a friend. if a person wants to
work on ther own table they should know sound advice from bad
it not a matter of life or death, if plan A don't work go to plan B
i just like talking to people and if i can help them by answering a question
from time to time that should be fine. one thing i do know for sure
it's never wrong to help someone. after all i'm still sitting down.
my opinion no charge take care john107: anderson sc
 
Just Diamonds?:grin:

LOL, of course not, but I was using that as an example where even as a mechanic, I would tend to pass off certain questions to those more qualified than myself.

And to the guy who said "it's never wrong to help someone", I couldn't disagree more. Here's a completely plausible situation...

Joe Blow the table owner wants to move his 3.5 x 7 table himself to save money. He gets on this forum at 2AM and posts the question "What's the best way to move my bar sized table". Then at 8AM he checks and finds an answer from Jim Jackass saying "That's a small table, just get a few of your friends, take the legs off, turn it on end and carry it." Jim Jackass has seen this done with a bar-box, and so seeing "bar sized table" he thinks he's right. Joe Blow takes the advice and runs with it before any of the REAL mechanics on the site can correct him. Result? One of Joe Blow's friends breaks his leg. Joe Blow's table is shot to shit. Joe Blow's homeowner's insurance premiums go up, and now Joe Blow thinks the table mechanics on this forum are a bunch of assholes.

Oh, and Jim Jackass gets appointed by Obama to run OSHA.
 
LOL, of course not, but I was using that as an example where even as a mechanic, I would tend to pass off certain questions to those more qualified than myself.

And to the guy who said "it's never wrong to help someone", I couldn't disagree more. Here's a completely plausible situation...

Joe Blow the table owner wants to move his 3.5 x 7 table himself to save money. He gets on this forum at 2AM and posts the question "What's the best way to move my bar sized table". Then at 8AM he checks and finds an answer from Jim Jackass saying "That's a small table, just get a few of your friends, take the legs off, turn it on end and carry it." Jim Jackass has seen this done with a bar-box, and so seeing "bar sized table" he thinks he's right. Joe Blow takes the advice and runs with it before any of the REAL mechanics on the site can correct him. Result? One of Joe Blow's friends breaks his leg. Joe Blow's table is shot to shit. Joe Blow's homeowner's insurance premiums go up, and now Joe Blow thinks the table mechanics on this forum are a bunch of assholes.

Oh, and Jim Jackass gets appointed by Obama to run OSHA.

That was funny!
 
.... Correcting someones answer that that may have been given as wrong, IS the correct thing to do from the stand point of a real mechanic...so that the poster knows beyond any shadow of a doubt...we DO know what we're talking about here:grin:
Glen

Most new members dont know squat or they found some information on the web or from a friend and they look for reassurance - that's why they post up a question.

I agree that correcting wrong information is the right thing to do but besides posting the correct information we also need to say that the wrong information was IN FACT WRONG. How would an OP know there was wrong information unless someone said so? Put another way - how would an OP know which of several replies was the right reply.

FTR I think we as a group do a pretty good job of policing some of the BS posted so all I'm saying is when you see a response that's bogus - speak up and say so.
 
I do think depending on the situation that it's unfair to expect a rookie not to share their information. Sometimes we do things for so long that we take the basics for granted. For example, how many times have you seen someone tear down a table knowing they have to take the slate off, but not knowing that doesn't mean unscrew all of the backing from the slate? The basics could mean more to that guy. Some of these do-it-yourselfers are just trying to learn. How many of us came into the biz knowing everything we know now?

For a guy to get SOME basic information here on the forum and try to do some work himself, then contribute on what he learned is normally perfectly fine. He's just trying to help just like we experienced mechanics are. Don't forget that making mistakes is one of the quickest ways to learn. ;)

I think there are some of us here on the forum (I won't mention any names) that are pretty quick to jump a guy's case and call him a hack if he does something different than us, instead of helping him learn why we consider our way better. I also think most of those people are insecure in their own abilities and afraid that if they teach a guy something, he might surpass them.

Now I'm not saying we should all be here to dispense free advice to anyone and everyone. There are certain "tricks of the trade" and advanced techniques that I do think should be reserved for some of the certification trainings and instructional DVDs that are in the works. But in my opinion, there's a handful of guys on here that I would consider "leaders" on this forum (Glen, John, Pat, Jay, Donnie, etc. etc. etc.) who are really trying to exchange information to better the industry and raise (or establish) the standards for what we do. If you notice, those guys (most of the time) don't take an attacking tone, or jump to call a guy a hack when he does something different. They all have their different ways of communicating the information. Sometimes it's to quiz, or to question the norm, sometimes it's to offer the name and number of someone close and qualified. But rarely is it to throw out the hack word.

Now don't get me wrong, there's plenty of times I've read a post and thought "What a f***ing IDIOT!" and sometimes I almost clicked "Submit Reply", but times like those, I go read another post somewhere and try to think of a more tactful, helpful response. I just think about a time 10 years ago when I worked for a guy who owned a room and had been doing table work for 30 years. That sure gave him credibility in my mind. However, I've learned a TON since then. Plenty from on the job experience and plenty from the more experienced members of this forum.

I do think a certified mechanic avatar tag is an awesome idea. That might show someone that there's a good chance the information they're getting is reputable. (with the exception of the water-filled Tupperware level idea...what a f***ing IDIOT!).

Just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
 
Warning ... Posting by a non-mechanic!!!!!

This is BS!!! Most of you know that there are more "INSTALLERS" screwing customers over with bad work than the non-mechanics, like me, that offer an opinion from time to time. This forum educates customers to expect good work.

But, since I am a Christian non-mechanic let me consider what damage I've done to pool tables around the world ... I offered an opinion to use spackling in Afghanistan where the man couldn't use wax and may not be able to get bondo ... I described why granite isn't used in pool tables and described the composition of slate (I'm a geologist) ... I recommended using 3M weather stripping cement from an auto parts store to repair a loose cushion ... I provided an alternate source for silicon facing material ... I asked about filling nut plate slots and then described how I did it ... I asked about level acceptable limits ... I posted pictures of my Medalist I reworked ... asked about advice on refinishing an Anniversary (not doing it) ... and my first post was complimenting the service I received from Poolfelt.com. I'll admit the accelerometer thing was a bit out there (I'll leave the lap top at home next time).

There, I feel better confessing my sins.
 
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Is it just me, or is anyone else getting a little irritated with the growing trend of non-mechanics who seem to be trolling this forum and randomly offering up advice? I wonder if these same people hang out in some "Ask an M.D" forum elsewhere on the web and offer up Grandma's cure for bleeding hemorrhoids.

Maybe they just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

I can't help myself here but I feel a bit offended because I do offer up my opinion at times and feel I can help...... When I first got to this forum and asked a question or two I got few or no responses. At the time I thought it was the "Talk to a Mechanic but They Won't Talk to You Forum".....

I have a thread on here that gets plenty of views and why is that I am not a mechanic? Because it is detailed and offers a lot of information. I started that thread to share my experiences and benefit the people who are reading it. Perhaps it is not the best information and I am certainly not a mechanic but that thread was about my experience as a DIYer trying to fix my table. I think people can benefit from that and maybe they will decide I can do that too, or, maybe they will say I had better get a mechanic. For me I just didn't have the money to pay someone at the time. Also, to be quite honest I see a lot of messed up tables in my area that were done by mechanics so even if I had the money I wouldn't have hired anyone because I couldn't find anyone at that time I felt I could trust.

Information is what people are looking for. We are in the information age and there is a lot of it out there. In the OTLB VS RKC thread I commented on how this forum seems to be a bit disfunctional in that you guys seem to be afraid to put information out. I can see why as I have seen flaming a plenty here which certainly keeps people from wanting to expose themselves! I don't think you are ever going to stop someone from making dumb mistakes trying to do things themselves whether they can get information here or not. "This isn't the Ketucky Fried Chicken recipe here guys" (posted by an AZB mechanic). People will find the information whether or not it is correct and whether or not it is coming from you.

Perhaps, you guys should have a private forum but I believe this one is public. I will say that I have had similar experiences in the business I work in. The members of the REALTOR orginization were very opposed to having listings put onto the internet. Can you imagine people would have to come into the office just to look at the listings in the book! Yes, the information age changed our business and probably for the better as consumers come to us better informed about the market.

You have information and do not want to share that is fine I respect that. But, I as a consumer have done some business with members here because they do contribute and seem to be knowledgable. How am I to know otherwise?
 
BIGK! stop it! lol. You are not who any of this is directed to. I think we made you an honorary mechanic a while back. If you start giving bad advice we'll let you know.:grin-square:
 
This is BS!!! Most of you know that there are more "INSTALLERS" screwing customers over with bad work than the non-mechanics, like me, that offer an opinion from time to time. This forum educates customers to expect good work.

But, since I am a Christian non-mechanic let me consider what damage I've done to pool tables around the world ... I offered an opinion to use spackling in Afghanistan where the man couldn't use wax and may not be able to get bondo ... I described why granite isn't used in pool tables and described the composition of slate (I'm a geologist) ... I recommended using 3M weather stripping cement from an auto parts store to repair a loose cushion ... I provided an alternate source for silicon facing material ... I asked about filling nut plate slots and then described how I did it ... I asked about level acceptable limits ... I posted pictures of my Medalist I reworked ... asked about advice on refinishing an Anniversary (not doing it) ... and my first post was complimenting the service I received from Poolfelt.com. I'll admit the accelerometer thing was a bit out there (I'll leave the lap top at home next time).

There, I feel better confessing my sins.

Crash,
I don't think anyone would put you in that category. The forum is Talk to a Mechanic and there are a number of guys posting who are not. I enjoy your posts and feel you know your way around a table. I am surprised you have taken offense. I hope you continue to share your ideas.
 
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