Aiming, Aiming, Aiming

[Tony_in_MD]

One pocket is like chess, all other pool games are like checkers.:thumbup:

I would bet serious $$$, that the chance of 14.1 making a comeback, is about two billion to one!..Please let that boring game rest in peace!..You would be better off trying to find a game of marbles for money, than straight pool.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Yes, I think it is most likely the same for most of the haters of aiming systems, just selfishness. I admire you for admitting that.

Selfishness by itself is not one of the 7 deadly sins so you are hereby forgiven for your weakness. Brother Joe will give you that grace. :thumbup:

I don't even mind you thinking that HAMB is the only way. I don't even mind you saying that HAMB is the best way. I don't mind you writing that HAMB is the only way to reach a high level of play.

I do think it is childish for supposed "grown men" jumping on every thread that talks about aiming system to whine like little babies.

Now go start a thread about HAMB and see if I come whine about what your post.

JoeyA

Too late Joey...I've moved on!..I am now harassing straight pool lover's..That long dead game, makes aiming systems seem almost sensible!..They haven't got a prayer

 

[SJDinPHX]

One pocket is like chess, all other pool games are like checkers.:thumbup:

Right on Tony!..Now theres a man who knows his pool. :thumbup:..And he's an instructor too!

PS..Given the area you live in, I'm sure you know Tom Wirth. Tom is a fine player, and his new book (& DVD) "One Pocket, Controlled Aggression" should be on everyones must have list!..Especially those who remain in the dark about the 'best game on a pool table'!

Check it out;--->https://www.facebook.com/One-Pocket-A-Game-of-Controlled-Aggression-463188883850002/

 

[JoeyA]

You RASCAL, you..............

JoeyA

Too late Joey...I've moved on!..I am now harassing straight pool lover's..That long dead game, makes aiming systems seem almost sensible!..They haven't got a prayer

 

[gonegray]

Dr JoeyA, we can play some eyes closed bank pool and one pocket sets even next time you're in town. I have 5 aiming systems that are all equally debilitating, but I won't miss a ball with my eyes closed!!!

MurseMike

 

[greyghost]

That tells me I will skip anything you have to say!.. Anyone who hates one pocket, is not relevant to anything pool related..There must be a reason why 1P is becoming the most popular game, for tournament, or gambling!..It involves every skill needed to play at the top level..I feel sorry for you, that you can't see that! :sorry:[/QUOTE

It's too easy a game to master. I don't consider those that think one pocket is THE game as serious pool players. Really, it's not a that hard a game to play because of the rules.

Serious pool players play 14.1. You master that game and all the others are cake.

what rules make one pocket easy? All straight pool teaches us is pattern play, running balls, and consistent tempo. You dont often get hooked like you do in one pocket, since there are 6 pockets to choose from (well you may be hooked from a pocket) but generally there is still a decent safety left when the stack is there.....in one hole, i can lay you up on the stack in a way that unless your going to take a foul, your only option is to shoot the ball the direction I want you to, with very small chances of getting safe.

Given that 14.1 is a continous pattern to a set number of points usually 50/100/125/150 etc......and you can shoot said balls into any pocket......

one pocket is basically the same, closed safe break....you have to be able to pick at the balls, move the furniture....same thing you do in 14.1

14.1 doesn't really employ defense as a stand out STRONG part of the game....its about running balls, not playing safeties (of course you play safe tho when needed) its just an seemingly endless version of bowliards, with a break shot.

One pocket is much more complete. It is highly offensive, and if your good you really are going to be "willing" the balls to do what you want in a much stronger fashion (though short lived compared to 14.1) if your going to do something like go 8 or 7 and out from the stack being not busted up.

You also have to contend with your opponents defensive strategies and tendencies....now if you think that offense varys greatly in skillset from donkey to player to top pro.......in my opinion the defensive aspects vary even more so.

You got guys now and in the past that cant shoot close to as good as others, but their defense is so out of this world (when many of the strong defensive shots are demanding and nearly "trick shotty") that they win.....

a top 9 baller, 8 baller and 14.1 player can not necessarily transfer directly over to one pocket and have success off the dump, (much less a beginner) they will make some balls and win some games sure......but when you start trying to dig balls, bank them out the holes and such, and you use shots that are double kisses as an example, that pretty much no one knows those shots unless they play one pocket....and to everyone else, that shot you thought was me banking to my hole, that I double kissed and it went up table and I got "lucky" that was on purpose, and myself and others know how to do shots like that in a multitude of ways.

I'm not going to say its a better game, or even the best pool game.....but there is no pool game that is more complete when it comes to shots, moves, and strategies of both offensive and defensive sets....

and that doesn't even begin to talk about how everyone except seasoned one hole players have lots of stroke issues in the game, because they dont know how to shoot crazy soft for 30min and then have the ability to start slinging lead bullets to get out from some crazy tester.

This is not even arguable.....when it comes to being the most complete pool game. Just look at the dominating players in it since it was invented about a century ago.......Hayden Lingo, HAROLD WORST, Ronnie Allen, Cornbread, Jersey Red, Grady, Matlock, Tadd, Danny Harriman.....uhhhhhh this old cat named Effren Reyes lmfao.

All of those guys are some of the best all around players to ever live....as in most of those guys were also pretty darn good or even world class at other types of table games from 3cushion to snooker......Worst is the best all around on that list, with Effren coming in second....I'll then throw Matlock and Danny (danny is/was the most talented player period of my generation in my opinion....doesn't mean he reached his potential though lol) as I'm not sure how the rest played non pool games.....they all played top flight 14.1 too far as i know.

I mean if one pocket is so shitty, then why dont earl, Shane (he does play one hole very well) and orcullo just roll over all the one hole players like Effren has done for what 30 years?

Its because its not a shitty game, its the most complete pool game. The only other pocket billiard game that even stacks up and is arguably a "better" game possibly is snooker......

if anything is a shitty game its 9 ball in any form especially on the BB. and everything they play in the APA because the rules are so dogged out for league.


4 best "billiards games on planet earth.

Snooker/One Pocket / 3 cushion billiards / 14.1

in that order, in my opinion....and to me one hole is snooker just in one pocket, there are lots of simiularities in the two games...one hole, go red then number etc....makes the running styled similar to a degree.

-Greyghost

 

[greyghost]

hummmm that's my longest post since i quit writing novellas on here and disappeared from the site some years ago......foreshadowing whats to come? Maybe so......

PEOPLE WILL READ AGAIN....especially if your dealing with my long winded arse! I think when I finally write a book....it will be full of .... .... those too lmfao. I only do that on the net and messaging on a cell, not sure why....its just like my version of the bridge hand twitchy spider fingers someone mentioned in the idiosyncrasies that bother you thread lol

type stroke,
-Keeb'

 

[Straightpool_99]

what rules make one pocket easy? All straight pool teaches us is pattern play, running balls, and consistent tempo. You dont often get hooked like you do in one pocket, since there are 6 pockets to choose from (well you may be hooked from a pocket) but generally there is still a decent safety left when the stack is there.....in one hole, i can lay you up on the stack in a way that unless your going to take a foul, your only option is to shoot the ball the direction I want you to, with very small chances of getting safe.

Given that 14.1 is a continous pattern to a set number of points usually 50/100/125/150 etc......and you can shoot said balls into any pocket......

one pocket is basically the same, closed safe break....you have to be able to pick at the balls, move the furniture....same thing you do in 14.1

14.1 doesn't really employ defense as a stand out STRONG part of the game....its about running balls, not playing safeties (of course you play safe tho when needed) its just an seemingly endless version of bowliards, with a break shot.

One pocket is much more complete. It is highly offensive, and if your good you really are going to be "willing" the balls to do what you want in a much stronger fashion (though short lived compared to 14.1) if your going to do something like go 8 or 7 and out from the stack being not busted up.

You also have to contend with your opponents defensive strategies and tendencies....now if you think that offense varys greatly in skillset from donkey to player to top pro.......in my opinion the defensive aspects vary even more so.

You got guys now and in the past that cant shoot close to as good as others, but their defense is so out of this world (when many of the strong defensive shots are demanding and nearly "trick shotty") that they win.....

a top 9 baller, 8 baller and 14.1 player can not necessarily transfer directly over to one pocket and have success off the dump, (much less a beginner) they will make some balls and win some games sure......but when you start trying to dig balls, bank them out the holes and such, and you use shots that are double kisses as an example, that pretty much no one knows those shots unless they play one pocket....and to everyone else, that shot you thought was me banking to my hole, that I double kissed and it went up table and I got "lucky" that was on purpose, and myself and others know how to do shots like that in a multitude of ways.

I'm not going to say its a better game, or even the best pool game.....but there is no pool game that is more complete when it comes to shots, moves, and strategies of both offensive and defensive sets....

and that doesn't even begin to talk about how everyone except seasoned one hole players have lots of stroke issues in the game, because they dont know how to shoot crazy soft for 30min and then have the ability to start slinging lead bullets to get out from some crazy tester.

This is not even arguable.....when it comes to being the most complete pool game. Just look at the dominating players in it since it was invented about a century ago.......Hayden Lingo, HAROLD WORST, Ronnie Allen, Cornbread, Jersey Red, Grady, Matlock, Tadd, Danny Harriman.....uhhhhhh this old cat named Effren Reyes lmfao.

All of those guys are some of the best all around players to ever live....as in most of those guys were also pretty darn good or even world class at other types of table games from 3cushion to snooker......Worst is the best all around on that list, with Effren coming in second....I'll then throw Matlock and Danny (danny is/was the most talented player period of my generation in my opinion....doesn't mean he reached his potential though lol) as I'm not sure how the rest played non pool games.....they all played top flight 14.1 too far as i know.

I mean if one pocket is so shitty, then why dont earl, Shane (he does play one hole very well) and orcullo just roll over all the one hole players like Effren has done for what 30 years?

Its because its not a shitty game, its the most complete pool game. The only other pocket billiard game that even stacks up and is arguably a "better" game possibly is snooker......

if anything is a shitty game its 9 ball in any form especially on the BB. and everything they play in the APA because the rules are so dogged out for league.


4 best "billiards games on planet earth.

Snooker/One Pocket / 3 cushion billiards / 14.1

in that order, in my opinion....and to me one hole is snooker just in one pocket, there are lots of simiularities in the two games...one hole, go red then number etc....makes the running styled similar to a degree.

-Greyghost

You are entitled to your opinion. I agree that snooker should be the number one cue game among the pocket billiards diciplines. It is by far the most challenging of all of them. The sheer thrill of making a high break in snooker is hard to relate, every shot is tough and you can't let up on a single one. The safety play is interesting, and much harder than the pros make it look.

One pocket...One pocket is interesting sometimes. At other times not so much. I like pocketing balls..If you've ever seen a 2 hour wedge game, you'll know how mind-bendingly boring that can be. It's not all brilliance, you know. Quite often it is simple routine shots, over and over and over and over...I like to watch people string balls together and to do so myself. One ball, then safe, one ball then safe...That is not interesting or fun to me.

For the top spot of pocket billiards games on pool tables, I have two games. One is straight rotation, like they play in the Phillipines. IMO it's the most complete test of cueing on the pool table. Kicks, banks, safeties, shotmaking, the game has it all. This in part, is also why the Pinoys are so good at all pool games. While it has a strategic element, the best cueist will mostly win this game. You can't really think yourself out of a jam as much in this game.

My second contender is straight pool. I like it, because it's a game that rewards offense, yet demands great cueball control as well as thinking. I like the fact that ducking is tough in that game. I don't want to duck for 2 hours, and I feel like pocketing balls should be the priority on a pocket table. You still need solid safety skill and rack knowledge, because when you actually have to duck, it's crucuial to get it right. I like that at the hightest level the game becomes ridiculously simple at times, yet, one extra rotation of the cueball, one tiny mistake in cuetip placement and you can be doomed. You cannot hide your lack of ability, you can't just duck until the other guy loses his patience, you have to shoot when the opportunity arises.

 

[duckie]

Being limited to using only one pocket is what makes one pocket too easy.

Safety play is way too easy in one pocket compared to 14.1 where all pockets can be used.

I really don't care who plays the game. I will not change my opinion of it.

I had a local respected one pocket player talk me into playing once. Since he knew I don't play it much, he was gonna give me pointers to help.

The games starts as normal. Moving balls around and such. Boring, I'd much rather be pocketing balls then moving them around playing hide and seek.

He thought he left me a tough bank(the is a reason I'm know as the bank master where I play), stroked it and off I went. Put 6 in my pocket and that's when he never said another word to me the while game and the games the followed. He's never asked me again.

The thing is once you get your skills up at a very high level, it's not hard to play whatever game. There is a difference playing a game that is mostly for gambling and having a favorite game to play.

Too me one pocket is just way too easy.

 

[john coloccia]

My second contender is straight pool. I like it, because it's a game that rewards offense, yet demands great cueball control as well as thinking. I like the fact that ducking is tough in that game. I don't want to duck for 2 hours, and I feel like pocketing balls should be the priority on a pocket table. You still need solid safety skill and rack knowledge, because when you actually have to duck, it's crucuial to get it right. I like that at the hightest level the game becomes ridiculously simple at times, yet, one extra rotation of the cueball, one tiny mistake in cuetip placement and you can be doomed. You cannot hide your lack of ability, you can't just duck until the other guy loses his patience, you have to shoot when the opportunity arises.

Nothing I've ever done has helped my game more than playing 14.1. I don't generally practice 9 ball or 8 ball anymore. I just play 14.1. That said, every time I play 9 ball or 8 ball, I'm better than I was the last time. For people that haven't played before, it seems so easy. Lots of balls on the table, shoot whatever you want, hit whatever you want first, etc etc... Play it for a bit and you'll be amazed how many times there are 12 or 13 balls on the table, none of them are touching, every ball has a pocket, but you STILL don't have one clear shot because you took the wrong ball first and now everything is blocked up. It's a very hard game.

Anyhow, it's really helped me with precision cue ball control, and also quickly analyzing the table for a reasonable run out sequence and analyzing/breaking up clusters. I'm still not very good at it, but it gets better every week.