Aiming at "Center Pocket"

[12310bch]

I agree with this idea. With a reference point, an experienced shooter can find the pocket. After several shots they may dial in center pocket. This is an advanced player's ability through many hours of practice.

Gerry Kanov, in his book, Precision Pool, talks about the moving pocket center. He tells how the pocket center for a shot down the rail is different than a shot from the spot. As an advanced player, I practice hitting parts of the pocket by placing a white hole reinforcer in the part of the pocket I need to hit. After some practice, I don't need the aiming aid anymore. It becomes just a suggestion to myself and gets done.

If you move the pocket, all bets are off. My spatial recognition would have to relearn the process. This is true when you go from a bar box to a nine footer for the first time. You have to learn the angles.

Finding center pocket comes with practice. To find center pocket, you must first understand the moving pocket idea and adapt for each angle.

Best,
Mike

a coupla things;

>Why is everybody using the term 'center pocket' to mean 'center of target'? Center pocket has always had a specific definition which posters are now obscuring to cover up their spurious statements. CENTER POCKET IS CENTER POCKET. IT DOES NOT MOVE. IT IS AN ABSOLUTE. On the other hand, your 'target center' can change and most often does.There is an infinite number of 'target centers' but only 6 'center pockets'.

> From barbox to 9 -footer the angles are the same. It is the divergence
of the angles that takes getting used to. In other words there is another 2 feet (+-) for the shot to go awry.

I am not nitpicking. We all have to speak the same language in order to debate without frustration. The question was not clear from the gitgo.
I'm still not sure what the question was. And that ain't high school logic speakin'.

 

[fabfastfredyy]

What happened was JSP had this idea that he was going to fool everyone with a trick question and got caught messing up.

 

[jsp]

>Why is everybody using the term 'center pocket' to mean 'center of target'? Center pocket has always had a specific definition which posters are now obscuring to cover up their spurious statements. CENTER POCKET IS CENTER POCKET. IT DOES NOT MOVE. IT IS AN ABSOLUTE. On the other hand, your 'target center' can change and most often does.There is an infinite number of 'target centers' but only 6 'center pockets'.

Alright.

Wherever I say "center pocket", just substitute it with "a target that is a single point in space".

No difference to me, but whatever floats your boat.

What happened was JSP had this idea that he was going to fool everyone with a trick question and got caught messing up.

Nope, no trick question. Do the substitution described above, answer the question, and give an explanation for your answer.

 

[12310bch]

Alright.

Wherever I say "center pocket", just substitute it with "a target that is a single point in space".

No difference to me, but whatever floats your boat.


Nope, no trick question. Do the substitution described above, answer the question, and give an explanation for your answer.

Why do think substituting a phrase that you created in your mind corrects all sins committed? Do you make up your own language as you go along? What should I substitute for the words 'center pocket' when you mean center pocket?

What if I tell you to cheat the pocket to the right of center pocket? Is that the same as saying to you," cheat the pocket to the right of ," a target that is a single point in space."

Just what the fluck would that mean to you? Or should I substitute with your phrase only when you want to cover your ass for the next of your inane threads.:bash:

 

[jsp]

Why do think substituting a phrase that you created in your mind corrects all sins committed? Do you make up your own language as you go along? What should I substitute for the words 'center pocket' when you mean center pocket?

What if I tell you to cheat the pocket to the right of center pocket? Is that the same as saying to you," cheat the pocket to the right of ," a target that is a single point in space."

Just what the fluck would that mean to you? Or should I substitute with your phrase only when you want to cover your ass for the next of your inane threads.:bash:

Okay, don't do the substitution. Makes no difference to the argument.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

What if I tell you to cheat the pocket to the right of center pocket? Is that the same as saying to you," cheat the pocket to the right of ," a target that is a single point in space."

Yes, it is.

pj
chgo

 

[Mikjary]

Alright.

Wherever I say "center pocket", just substitute it with "a target that is a single point in space".

No difference to me, but whatever floats your boat.


Nope, no trick question. Do the substitution described above, answer the question, and give an explanation for your answer.

This was my intention, to clarify the terminology. Throwing the "center pocket" into the equation was misleading. There's a big difference between aiming at a specific known point and a moving entity.

When you eat, do you use a mirror to raise the fork to your mouth? I believe with practice and an occasional double check of the pocket's proximity to the user, hitting the target can be achieved by an advanced player. Once he establishes the target, a higher level shooter can reproduce their positive results. Not at 100% level. They won't do that under any conditions or setups.

Now, can this be proven with an aiming system? Is this where we're headed with this discussion? And will this be an exercise in logic or biomechanics?

Best,
Mike

 

[fabfastfredyy]

Alright.

Wherever I say "center pocket", just substitute it with "a target that is a single point in space".

No difference to me, but whatever floats your boat.


Nope, no trick question. Do the substitution described above, answer the question, and give an explanation for your answer.

I done did it with the pepe & bridge post.

 

[fabfastfredyy]

This was my intention, to clarify the terminology. Throwing the "center pocket" into the equation was misleading. There's a big difference between aiming at a specific known point and a moving entity.

When you eat, do you use a mirror to raise the fork to your mouth? I believe with practice and an occasional double check of the pocket's proximity to the user, hitting the target can be achieved by an advanced player. Once he establishes the target, a higher level shooter can reproduce their positive results. Not at 100% level. They won't do that under any conditions or setups.

Now, can this be proven with an aiming system? Is this where we're headed with this discussion? And will this be an exercise in logic or biomechanics?

Best,
Mike

It's kinda like:

Question..... "Do you need to know where the center of your ass-cheek is, to spank it?"

You and I-- "NO, Just a ping pong paddle"

JSP and PJ--"Yes, I always use a mirror paddle"

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Gerry Kanov, in his book, Precision Pool, talks about the moving pocket center. He tells how the pocket center for a shot down the rail is different than a shot from the spot. ...

If you choose the correct single point, the center of the pocket (and your white reinforcer) doesn't need to move much. Kanov discusses it beginning with shooting towards the back of the pocket, but I think that's the wrong target. See http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997-04.pdf for an explanation.

 

[pablocruz]

Okay, don't do the substitution. Makes no difference to the argument.

You're always askin for the math, lets see the Math!!

 

[pablocruz]

Why don't you and Patrick come up with a thread
so you can argue with each other!!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Here's the definiton for the reading impaired...
...he and all his ilk.

Speaking of reading impaired... here's the original quote you're so offended by:

CTE and its ilk

Some just want to be offended.

pj
chgo

 

[Mikjary]

Speaking of reading impaired... here's the original quote you're so offended by:



Some just want to be offended.

pj
chgo

Keep stirring and spinning. Your entire purpose on these threads is not to contribute anything except pain for most posters. When you have no answers, you attack punctuation and grammar. What a miserable little man you have become. Your reaching down deep into the troll bag of tricks because you're stalling for time until you can catch somebody at something.

They might misspell a word or not read something correctly. In rushes the aiming police. Well, the pms are flying and the word is out. This game you play is being laughed at by many. Are you that bored you can't respond to a post without being a PITA?

You need to pull the dress down from over your head. Nobody wants to see what you're saying, because your not saying anything. I know, I know, you're what's his name...the BIG deal on AZB. I read your egomaniacal description under your avatar and I am impressed. If you want to impress me further, quit cherry picking through people's posts and earn your honorary title.

I'm not using spellcheck, so feel free to wet your undergarments with this post.

Best,
Mike

Disclaimer; user is not responsible for insanity caused by putzes.

 

[jsp]

This was my intention, to clarify the terminology. Throwing the "center pocket" into the equation was misleading. There's a big difference between aiming at a specific known point and a moving entity.

As long we're talking about a single point in space, I don't see a difference. In either case, you still have to know precisely where the target is.

When you eat, do you use a mirror to raise the fork to your mouth? I believe with practice and an occasional double check of the pocket's proximity to the user, hitting the target can be achieved by an advanced player.

Your analogy doesn't quite work. Do you really care about how precise you are at putting the fork inside your mouth? As long as the fork makes it inside your mouth, whether it's left edge, right edge, or dead center, do you care?

A better analogy would be taking out a splinter on your finger. Try taking one out without first being aware precisely where it is instead of just knowing the general location that it's somewhere on your finger.

 

[jsp]

It's kinda like:

Question..... "Do you need to know where the center of your ass-cheek is, to spank it?"

You and I-- "NO, Just a ping pong paddle"

JSP and PJ--"Yes, I always use a mirror paddle"

I never asked if you need to know where center pocket is in order to simply pocket the OB. Nope, never asked that.

 

[Mikjary]

As long we're talking about a single point in space, I don't see a difference. In either case, you still have to know precisely where the target is.


Your analogy doesn't quite work. Do you really care about how precise you are at putting the fork inside your mouth? As long as the fork makes it inside your mouth, whether it's left edge, right edge, or dead center, do you care?

A better analogy would be taking out a splinter on your finger. Try taking one out without first being aware precisely where it is instead of just knowing the general location that it's somewhere on your finger.

Yes, I care. Have you ever had a tine in your nostril? Not too easy to remove, either! :grin: J/K OK. Semantics bad...discussion good. I won't get into the splinter analogy. It wood prove too painful.

"Dangit all to ilk! I didn't use spell check"!...as he peers out into the darkness with his varmint gun handy. :grin:

Best,
Mike

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Mikjary:
Throwing the "center pocket" into the equation was misleading. There's a big difference between aiming at a specific known point and a moving entity.

The pockets "move" for every shot anyway (the balls actually do, but it's the same effect). The moving pocket center is a small part of the overall "movement".

pj
chgo

 

[pablocruz]

The pockets "move" for every shot ".


Now the pockets move!! Pockets do not move!! Unf#cking beleiveable!! Mike, what's in that "ILK Milk?"

 

[Celtic]

I'll accept any challenge--- as long as you, PJ, Mike, Lou and whoever participate as well so there's a baseline.

WTF challenge are you trying to accept? The existence of friggin geometry and trigonometry?

You don't need to see the pocket to know exactly where it is. It is simple freaking math involving right angle triangles to determine the angle an object ball needs to travel to go straight into the pocket. I mean, grade 10, sin, cos, tan, A^2+B^2=C^2. Real tough stuff, and you guys actually screwed around making a video and think you proved something that the Greek people over 2000 years ago would have said "well, yeah, duhhh..." to you over? Once you have the angle to the pocket the contact point is exactly opposite that line towards the pocket, there is really nothing else you need to know.

Who cares if you cannot see the pocket? If you know the exact size of the table you know where the pocket is relative to a long rail and a short rail that is ALL I need to know and finding out the exact angle into any pocket on the table is then trivial math.

But with all of this, yes you actually need to KNOW where the pocket is to shoot the shot. You might not see it, but the spatial relations to know where the pocket is still exist.