Aiming IMPORTANT..REALLY

[av84fun]

BS.
If you want to know Efren's system, call Alex Laoingco at Stix in Rancho.
Another female pro is walking around claiming Efren told her there's only 3 in pool as far as pocketing.

Well, referring to my own preaching in the creation of this thread, I can't respond the way I'd like to so...

Let me just ask you....

1. Do you have factual information that leads you to believe that the poster in question does NOT know Efren's aiming methods?

2. Is Alex Laoingco the only person on earth, other than Efren himself, who knows how he aims?

3. Do you know for a fact that the poster in question as not spoken to any person who knows how he aims?

4. I may well have missed it so could you point me to any post in which anyone stated that Efren has "endorsed" the system any such poster advocates?

5. Do you know how he aims and if so, would you be willing to share that information here? (You must and you shouldn't have a problem posting that information here since you invited me to call Mr. Laoingco inferring that he would tell me.)

Regards,
Jim

 

[JoeyInCali]

Well, referring to my own preaching in the creation of this thread, I can't respond the way I'd like to so...

Let me just ask you....

1. Do you have factual information that leads you to believe that the poster in question does NOT know Efren's aiming methods?

2. Is Alex Laoingco the only person on earth, other than Efren himself, who knows how he aims?

3. Do you know for a fact that the poster in question as not spoken to any person who knows how he aims?

4. I may well have missed it so could you point me to any post in which anyone stated that Efren has "endorsed" the system any such poster advocates?

5. Do you know how he aims and if so, would you be willing to share that information here? (You must and you shouldn't have a problem posting that information here since you invited me to call Mr. Laoingco inferring that he would tell me.)

Regards,
Jim

Anyone who knows the pool scene in SoCal will know who Alex is.
Alex has been managing Efren when he's here for years.
He's a very very good player too. Has won Hard Times tournament even.
Hal is infering Efren uses his system. He does not.
909-989-1205 is Stix phone number.
IF you want lessons from Alex, call him.

 

[klockdoc]

knowing many systems allows you to choose the right system... for any given shot. sometimes its a matter of merging two systems or more... to allow you to make a given shot.

Good statement. Very true. There is no ONE system that will work in all instances on any table. Sometimes, several have to be combined to make the outcome happen

there are simply "TOO MANY VARIABLES" ball position, shooter position, shooter height, shooter stroke, the cue, the tip, the shaft, the size of the shooter, the weight of his cue compared to the length to the butt from the balance point, how hard you hit,what English you prefer..... and on and on and on.

You bring about some very good points here. But, these are mostly covered by the fundamentals of pool, not by the aiming systems.

ANYONE who says he has the answer to all variables is a LIAR!!

We are basically trying to have a discussion about different aiming systems. It is alright to have your own opinion about items discussed, but, lets not resort to name calling.

 

[klockdoc]

That's all. Thanks for reading this...both of you.
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LOL...

 

[klockdoc]

Anyone who knows the pool scene in SoCal will know who Alex is.
Alex has been managing Efren when he's here for years.
He's a very very good player too. Has won Hard Times tournament even.
Hal is infering Efren uses his system. He does not.
909-989-1205 is Stix phone number.
IF you want lessons from Alex, call him.

Thanks for the phone number JoeyInCali.

Now you can finally say you have contributed something to the forum.

Not sure if it is worth anything yet, but it is a contribution....

 

[klockdoc]

Well, referring to my own preaching in the creation of this thread, I can't respond the way I'd like to so...Jim

Yeah, you are making it tough when others respond like they do...

Ohhh, be nice now. slap slap

 

[chilli66]

Ok, how do you make that decision? How do you decide where to hit the object ball? Please explain.

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply, it's just been one of those days.

I'm sure how I aim could be called a system, but I was never taught anything like that when I started playing. To me if you want a ball to go towards a pocket then obviously you have to hit the OB on the side that is facing away from the pocket. Of course, once you start adding English the contact point can alter but it's really not something I think about when I play. I must be doing it subconciously, but then I did practice a LOT when I was younger.

I do wonder if I'd had some training all those years ago how good could I be now? Ha, or if I hadn't taken 12 years off! I will always regret that.

Wish I could be more helpful but that's it. I'd make a lousy teacher.

 

[Curdog]

Before you attribute your decisions to your subconscious mind, consider this.

When you decide to proceed through an intersection on the yellow light you have to:

1. Calculate the distance between your car and the intersection.

2. Calculate whether you will enter the intersection with the light still yellow at your current speed in feet per second...which alswo involves calculating whether you need to step on the gas.

3. You probably (and should) determine whether there are cars approaching intersection from the cross street who might enter the intersection at a high rate of speed but JUST making the green light.

4. Calculate whether you should/can stop instead of proceedint through and if so, how hard you would have to brake.

And you do all that in less than two seconds and entirely with your conscious mind.

Given your lengthy experience in the game you can decide in some fraction of a second whether you are going to use a little outside on a cut to the right down the rail or whether to have to adjust your aim because inside is required for shape..and you probably do that before you ever get over the shot.

So, right..you don;t "ponder" over your decisions but as other posters have stated, some who believe they are feel players are making NUMEROUS conscious decisions...but just at blinding speeds.

Trust me, I am not telling you how you shoot. I'm just suggesting that it is POSSIBLE that your conscious mind is more involved than you might realize...none of which makes a damn bit of difference one way or the other. (-:

It's just interesting to study how various people approach this game.

Regards,
Jim

As long as you want to take it to this extent, I would propose that how you live your daily life is a system. If there is any decision to be made, than there has certainly been a system invoked. Doing anything by pure feel would be impossible. This subject seems to be bordering on the ridiculous, even though I admit it is entertaining if not helpful.

 

[Curdog]

A. aiming system works perfectly for A shot
B. aiming system works perfectly for B shot
ect..
ect..

knowing many systems allows you to choose the right system... for any given shot. sometimes its a matter of merging two systems or more... to allow you to make a given shot.

Mine is better, His is better, that guys is even better... blah, blah, blah,


there are simply "TOO MANY VARIABLES" ball position, shooter position, shooter height, shooter stroke, the cue, the tip, the shaft, the size of the shooter, the weight of his cue compared to the length to the butt from the balance point, how hard you hit,what English you prefer..... and on and on and on.

There are as many ways to shoot a shot as there are shooters to shoot it!!

Each person leaning over a shot has a different view, a different cue, a different past, a different learning curve, a different history, a different height a different weight and on and on and on...

This is a personal game, with individual requirements and each individual has their own requirements. ANYONE who says he has the answer to all variables is a LIAR!!

Learn how to play YOUR game and YOU will be fine.

Amen! Learn the game!

 

[softshot]

But on the other hand, Mosconi DID pocket 526 in an exhibition and Babe Cranfield DID pocket 768 in a practice session in front of witnesses. (Plus he was such a GENTLEMAN of the highest order that if he SAID he did...then he did! Book it Danno.

So, it's a little hard to sustain the view that no one knows everything there is to know about aiming.

To me it sounds like they had mastered their own game, at least for 1 day.

Personally I like reading about every system I can find, and I give them a try if the have any merit in my eyes.

The main thrust of what I said is that there is no one way to aim that will work for everybody all the time.

 

[av84fun]

Anyone who knows the pool scene in SoCal will know who Alex is.
Alex has been managing Efren when he's here for years.
He's a very very good player too. Has won Hard Times tournament even.
Hal is infering Efren uses his system. He does not.
909-989-1205 is Stix phone number.
IF you want lessons from Alex, call him.

Well, you elected not to answer my questions. Obviously you have a problem with Mr. Houle and leaped to the unsubstantiated "inference" that he says Efren has endorsed his system.

I have not seen anything in the threads to SUBSTANTIATE that.

Regards,
Jim

 

[JoeyInCali]

Well, you elected not to answer my questions. Obviously you have a problem with Mr. Houle and leaped to the unsubstantiated "inference" that he says Efren has endorsed his system.

I have not seen anything in the threads to SUBSTANTIATE that.

Regards,
Jim

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So You Do Not Want Efrens Aiming System.

Hal Houle

 

[av84fun]

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Pool.

You have an odd habit of posting cryptic responses so, I will reply with one I expect you will appreciate....

Carrots.

(-:

 

[JoeyInCali]

You have an odd habit of posting cryptic responses so, I will reply with one I expect you will appreciate....

Carrots.

(-:

Just call Hal.
He has the aiming system of the pros.

 

[colded]

Can anyone tell me when the WPBA went to alternating breaks ?

 

[Koop]

Stop using Efren's name when he hasn't endorsed your system.

Stop speaking for Efren when he hasn't endorsed you as his spokesman. Not to mention, why you don't try and show some respect to a guy who has given a lot more to this game than you or I ever will.
In other words, go find someone else to hound unless you just enjoy going after an 85 year old man offering some assistance to others. You are CLASSLESS.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Stop speaking for Efren when he hasn't endorsed you as his spokesman. Not to mention, why you don't try and show some respect to a guy who has given a lot more to this game than you or I ever will.
In other words, go find someone else to hound unless you just enjoy going after an 85 year old man offering some assistance to others. You are CLASSLESS.

He didn't teach Efren and Hal told me that he has never met Efren in his life. The only thing he told me was that about 4 or 5 filipinos came over to see him while he was in California and taught them the systems. These guys are younger than Efren so I don't know that Efren even uses one of Hal's systems.
Matter of fact I am on the phone with him right now.
Koop
My bad. Go ahead then. Sorry.

 

[Koop]

He didn't teach Efren and Hal told me that he has never met Efren in his life. The only thing he told me was that about 4 or 5 filipinos came over to see him while he was in California and taught them the systems. These guys are younger than Efren so I don't know that Efren even uses one of Hal's systems.
Matter of fact I am on the phone with him right now.
Koop
My bad. Go ahead then. Sorry.

You're boring and predictable. Keep attacking Hal's words if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Koop - doesn't need to go digging when he knows something is just plain wrong

 

[JoeyInCali]

You're boring and predictable. Keep attacking Hal's words if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Koop - doesn't need to go digging when he knows something is just plain wrong

And it's not wrong to lie?
Joey~Wonders what the cutoff age is when it's not ok to lie~

 

[av84fun]

Can anyone tell me when the WPBA went to alternating breaks ?

Because, like MANY pro tour events, the promoters realize that winner breaks is ridiculous, the theory of which is unprecedented in virtually any major sport.

Roadies will not admit that because it's about the oldest "hustle move" there is!

Top players run 6-7 packs with some frequency so, in a race to 9, for example, whenever they get 3-4 racks they are a SERIOUS threat to win and the lesser players are not.

And any action player getting say, the 7 out STILL is not going to run 6 or 7 in a row.

One top tour/road player is known to give ANY LEGAL SHOT after the break as weight to bangers for JUST that reason...because if he wins the lag/flip...you lose and if you break dry...you lose.


The only rational reason for winner breaks is in huge open tournaments like DCC...US Open etc. when there are SO many players, they just have to get rid of the short stops as quickly as possible.

Other than that...let's have the football team scored against have to kick off...or the winner of a tennis GAME keep serving until he/she loses..or the basketball team that scores gets to throw the ball back into play.

Same thing as winner breaks and equally silly.

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(note...a golfer keeping the "honors" to drive first is a tiny advantage AT BEST and as much, if not more of a DISADVANTAGE in spite of the term "honors" since the following player(s) have the opportunity to totally change the nature of their shots...if, for example the wind is proven more or less of a factor or the first driver yanks it into the woods!)