Aiming system robot laser tester

Luxury

Luxury

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I've seen the pool shooting robots that college students made for pool research. Is there any reason why someone can't attach a laser so it's mounted to a pool stick then line it up to whatever edges a certain system calls for then pivot the machine to the center of the cue ball then fire a perfectly straight shot and see if it works or not.

I encourage anyone with connections to colleges to have them read these threads and watch the videos and do the experiment.

Bring the machine to the Dcc and have the two camps bet on if a shot will go or not.
 
The machine required to conduct the aiming system tests would cost 100 times less than that amazing robot btw.
 
Luxury said:
I've seen the pool shooting robots that college students made for pool research. Is there any reason why someone can't attach a laser so it's mounted to a pool stick then line it up to whatever edges a certain system calls for then pivot the machine to the center of the cue ball then fire a perfectly straight shot and see if it works or not.

I encourage anyone with connections to colleges to have them read these threads and watch the videos and do the experiment.

Bring the machine to the Dcc and have the two camps bet on if a shot will go or not.
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The robot can/will shoot Hal's 3 shots using variations of the prepivot alignment using the edge of the OB, 1/4 OB and center (1/2) OB. You can chart the results post pivot of those 3 prepivot alignments and program them into the computer that drives the robot.

The tricky part is tabulating the adjustments for all of the cut angles at all of the distances between the CB and OB and program that data into the computer post pivot.

Not many shooters have look up tables in their heads like computer processors. Maybe one could create an ap/s for the iPad so that the adjustments can be looked up quickly while on the shot clock.

Just sayin.:smile::thumbup:
 
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Luxury:
Is there any reason why someone can't attach a laser so it's mounted to a pool stick then [program the robot to] line it up to whatever edges a certain system calls for
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Yes, there is a reason. "Pivot" aiming system instructions after "line up the edges" are too vague for a robot/computer to follow. The human "computer" fills in the blanks (by feel) - a mechanical computer needs complete, precise instructions, which these systems don't provide.

pj
chgo
 
Luxury said:
I've seen the pool shooting robots that college students made for pool research. Is there any reason why someone can't attach a laser so it's mounted to a pool stick then line it up to whatever edges a certain system calls for then pivot the machine to the center of the cue ball then fire a perfectly straight shot and see if it works or not.

I encourage anyone with connections to colleges to have them read these threads and watch the videos and do the experiment.

Bring the machine to the Dcc and have the two camps bet on if a shot will go or not.
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I like the idea but I think I would be more interested in finding out how and why it works using 3D animation sensors.

Instead of the robot idea I would like to see motion sensors put on the cue and the person shooting. That would show without a doubt if there was any steering or adjusting prior to the shot. I think it could also be used for working on many aspects of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcLJ8aDq74g&feature=related
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Yes, there is a reason. "Pivot" aiming system instructions after "line up the edges" are too vague for a robot/computer to follow.
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How is "line up cb edge to object ball edge" too vague? How is "pivot to center" too vague? How could you possibly get any more exact that that? A 6 year old can understand these two very basic instructions.
 
The biggest debate in the aiming threads is whether or not the shooter is following the exact steps or if they are making subconscious adjustments.

The robot video might be throwing off my proposal.

I'm envisioning a stick like the one in this 19 second video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqjpi--vqGQ

You attach one of those cheap laser pointers and mount it onto a base that has wheels for pivoting. You establish that it shoots straight shots and that the laser is accurate.

The two camps together agree that the laser is pointing at the edges then you swivel or pivot the stick so that both camps agree that the laser is pointing to center cue ball then release the trigger.

Then after 90 different angles have been tested from different distances one camp can say, "told ya so!"
 
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"Pivot" aiming system instructions after "line up the edges" are too vague for a robot/computer to follow.
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cleary:
How is "line up cb edge to object ball edge" too vague?
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Why do you suppose I underlined the word "after", cleary?

cleary:
How is "pivot to center" too vague? How could you possibly get any more exact that that? A 6 year old can understand these two very basic instructions.
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Why do you guys beg to be humiliated?

- "Pivot to center" means nothing without a specific pivot point.
- If you specify a pivot point, the robot will prove it only works for one cut angle.
- If you need a robot to prove that to you, you're unprepared for conversations like this.

pj
chgo
 
I noticed in Cleary's video that he shows the way he is going to pivot by swinging the stick in a true pivot fashion back and forth but then when the time comes to move to center he slides his bridge over in almost a parallel slide/pivot fashion that makes following his instructions impossible.

I tried for a long time to line up per his instructions on the specified shot types and tried it with a true pivot and missed a ton of shots. And I shoot straight enough to have ran a four pack just a week ago.

I'm anxious to try Stan's instructions.
 
Luxury said:
I noticed in Cleary's video that he shows the way he is going to pivot by swinging the stick in a true pivot fashion back and forth but then when the time comes to move to center he slides his bridge over in almost a parallel slide/pivot fashion that makes following his instructions impossible.

I tried for a long time to line up per his instructions on the specified shot types and tried it with a true pivot and missed a ton of shots. And I shoot straight enough to have ran a four pack just a week ago.

I'm anxious to try Stan's instructions.
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If you shoot that well, I doubt you need an aiming system.
 
Luxury said:
I have helped a lot of people learn to play pool better. Would like to know how to teach a simple system that works.
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I have stumbled on to a method that is bass ackwards to the normal way of approaching a shot....I have given up all other methods as this is by far the easiest I have ever done, and I am (right now) pocketing balls better than ever.

I won't put it out on the general forum because it would just get bashed.

I don't recall any other methods that approach the shot the way I am now doing...but I wish I would have stumbled onto this many many years ago.

I would have to classify the method as a bass ackwards methodical feel based method....but it is super easy and (for me) it works pretty darn good.....(so far)

PM me if you would like to get in before the DVD......(JK)...no DVD will be made.:smile:....but I will PM you the method if your interested.
 
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