Aiming Systems EXPOSED:
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This is what I have suspected, and you finally came out and said it. You are looking for a magic pill in lessons, and when you didn't get it, you felt ripped off.
Most lessons are a few hours to a day or two. Just how much info on the game do you want in that amount of time? Do you actually want them to sit down and read a book to you so you can get the most info in the alloted time, or do you want them to get on the table with you and make sure you understand and can do what they are teaching at the time?
Buying the books, DVD's, internet, they are all good for knowledge. But, they can not replace hand to hand instruction. A lot of that knowledge in books you still have to have someone show you how to do it. Case in point- Patrick Johnson. I assume he can play a little. Somewhere above average. Meaning he has put in a lot of time on the table. He has learned a lot of things. Yet, in another thread on here, talking about spin holding the cb travel, he first doubted it, now seems to be thinking there might just be something to it, but has no idea how to stroke to make it happen. Some things just can't be learned from books.
Another thing, charlatans don't give their time away for free. Most of the time, Scott will stay for hours after the paid lesson time just to make sure the student "gets it". That's a sign of someone truly wanting the student to be better, not the sign of a rip-off artist.
Now if THIS ain't the epitome of irony. Isn't this the very thing you try to demean my charactor with, when you are searching for something/anything that you can possibly use?
Hypocrite.
Eric >http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite
Sometimes that's an important part of the frank message. But often it's just collateral damage.
I think we should all realize that we're playing roles on here - just like we do when we meet and talk in person. Which is the "real" us?
pj
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Patrick, I think that if people treated each other in person they way they do on the internet, then we'd wind up with a bunch of screaming raving lunatics everywhere we went.
Boundaries and common courtesies are important. It's how we all manage to survive together on this overpopulated planet. Even with that, we're not doing such a good job.
That's why I post under my own name. It makes me think before I write.
Also, if you look at the truly great people of this world, past and present, you will find that the common thread is humility, not chest-pounding. Both teachers and students alike should really consider taking a page out of that book.
A few people think that it is perfectly OK to act like a total jerk online because they have freedom of speech guaranteed by our constitution.
Others think that they can be a total arse to others simply because they believe it enhances frank discussions.
Personally, I think anyone can say anything they choose, under the right circumstances.
Targeting innocent, honest, hard-working instructors for their difference of opinions and teachings with innuendos and cute little emoticoms to disguise the vile intent of the ad hominem attacks is simply callous and without equal.
If you disagree with someone, just disagree with them and leave it be.
The continuous attacks on honest, hard-working pool instructors is shallow, perverted fun at someone else's expense. I don't always agree with the way that instructors market themselves and I've said so and left it alone.
When you have your own income guaranteed by a significant other or at the expense of the taxpayers, it is unconscionable to continuously attempt to deprive another of their livelihood, by demonizing them and ridiculing them at every twist and turn.
Witholding the names of your targets is even more damaging to all instructors.
What depraved satisfaction can one get from depriving someone else from making a living?
Others think that they can be a total arse to others simply because they believe it enhances frank discussions.
Personally, I think anyone can say anything they choose, under the right circumstances.
Targeting innocent, honest, hard-working instructors for their difference of opinions and teachings with innuendos and cute little emoticoms to disguise the vile intent of the ad hominem attacks is simply callous and without equal.
If you disagree with someone, just disagree with them and leave it be.
The continuous attacks on honest, hard-working pool instructors is shallow, perverted fun at someone else's expense. I don't always agree with the way that instructors market themselves and I've said so and left it alone.
When you have your own income guaranteed by a significant other or at the expense of the taxpayers, it is unconscionable to continuously attempt to deprive another of their livelihood, by demonizing them and ridiculing them at every twist and turn.
Witholding the names of your targets is even more damaging to all instructors.
What depraved satisfaction can one get from depriving someone else from making a living?
Would you be so kind as to point out the chest pounders?
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The thing I find so unique about this thread is one of the Forum Member has been selling his Aiming System on this Forum for a couple of years. He has not even commented on the thread?
Aiming is a thing one must learn in Pool, along with some other BASIC FOUNDATIONS. Without the entire package of the individual elements (skills) only one element will not make you a better Pool Player.
No Stroke you will be crappie Pool player.
No Focus you will be crappie Pool player.
and the list could go on, and on.
JMHO
Aiming is a thing one must learn in Pool, along with some other BASIC FOUNDATIONS. Without the entire package of the individual elements (skills) only one element will not make you a better Pool Player.
No Stroke you will be crappie Pool player.
No Focus you will be crappie Pool player.
and the list could go on, and on.
JMHO
I would have to agree with this. I am an instructor, but just because I help support my family from the money I get from teaching pool does not mean that I should never be questioned. If someone disagrees with me, they should have the right to question me, and I should have the right to explain myself. Is there anyone on these boards who should be exempt from this practice? If so, why?
Roger
And if you were disagreed with and someone felt that whatever you were trying to explain was nonsense then they should have the right to call you a charlatan? Or to allude that you sell snake-oil? Use every manner of negativity to attempt to discredit you? Ignore positive testimonials that support your teaching and still maintain that you are a con-man? Should people have a blanket right to do that all evidence to the contrary?
No one has said that anyone has the right not to be questioned. That's a red herring in this discussion.
That is all well and good, Roger, and it is admirable that you understand and feel the way that you do.
The problem that I see, is the problem of troll-ish behavior driving away well-meaning and well-intentioned people like yourself, RandyG, Scott Lee, Bob Jewett, Dr. Dave and all the other folks who come here and help out folks for free. You folks are such a wealth of information to the poolplaying public, and I know it isn't recognized as much as it should be.
Still, why would you, or any of the others I mentioned, continue to come here and put yourself through some of the crap that people spew, just because they can. Those are the kinds of actions that I think Joey and others here are concerned about. That is the behavior that spoils things for everyone.
Honest debate and criticism is good, and healthy for any forum. The question is where to draw the line? When folks start being called snake-oil salesmen, I think the line has been crossed.
The real issue is one of civility, or the lack thereof. We have no solution for that, sadly. That genie got let out of the bottle a long time ago, and it ain't never gonna go back in.
No Eric. You fail to see the point again. The WHOLE point of telling you that I would create a page highlighting your internet persona was to show you that you are not untouchable. You persisted in attempting to bully and denigrate me and I told you that it would be interesting if your clients were able to see how you act before they invest their money with you.
Your response was to threaten to come and get me in China because you can "navigate a Mandarin speaking country".
The only reason I didn't carry that out, as I told you clearly, was because I am not into collateral damage. I wouldn't want anyone who depends on your business aside from you to be hurt. If it were only you then I would have insured that every time your name was searched on that people can see what a jerk you act like on the net.
IF this were much easier to do, as easy as reaching out and slapping people then there would be a lot less of your style of cyber-bullying happening.
So no Mr. Wall-Street-in-Jersey I am not a hypocrite. And you're damn lucky I am not vindictive either because I would flat out bury you. I guarantee you that there was a point that if I could have destroyed your life without harming anyone else then I would have done it already because I think you deserve a lesson in civility and humility. Maybe you should ask yourself why someone would feel that way about you?
Now don't you have a senior citizen to go beat up? You probably have the most experience of any of us when it comes to online fighting leading to offline assaults.
For the noobs a little backstory. Our man Eric "The Senior Slugger" Hu carried on a long running online fight with an aging trick shot artist named Larry Grindiger/Gunninger on another message board. This fight pretty much destroyed that board. Larry was so "mean" to Eric that Eric found him at the Super Billiards Expo and assaulted him.
Maybe Larry deserved it. But the point is Eric that you have no room to talk to anyone about civility on the net being the little cyberpunk that you are. And you were supposed to leave me alone here weren't you? Little violation of your parole? I will let it slide.
My first wife was from Scotland and a citizen of Canada so I could have wound up in a few different places. My daughter held dual citizenship for many years.
Unfortunately, you're not even in the boat on this one. There's nothing wrong with being questioned.
There's a lot wrong with calling HONEST, HARD-WORKING, PROFESSIONAL INSTRUCTORS snake-oil salesmen, charlatans, and in essence, liars and then making jokes about it on a regular basis like you are practicing for some acidic, stand-up routine, applying emoticoms to cover your spiteful and mean-spirited name calling.
I hope this is a little more clear about what I find objectionable.
Ok. Is that kind of like understanding foreign policy because you can see Russia on a clear day?
Being an "American" does not give one the right to defame and slander. Those things are expressly against the law. Now maybe you mean that it's better to be an American because in America those criminal acts are largely unpunished whereas in some other democratic countries which also have freedom of speech those crimes are prosecuted much more consistently. And as a result the discourse is generally more civil in those countries. Correlation? Maybe. I am not a sociologist. Just people are generally nicer to each other in places where defamation brings penalties. They seem to find ways to make their point without the slander.
Ahh but I think the game has changed Joey. When you go to the all or a backyard picnic you have certain expectations about how things will go with regard to being civil.
On the internet the rules are changed yet again. I think that with an ide to sell or a living to make must consider the nature of the internet and its operation. So the “hard working” people who choose to come on here and “sell” their wares do so in the context of the net’s way of interacting.
While I agree that the crudeness on the net is one of its limitations but it must be taken for what it is. If it is too hot in the kitchen then perhaps these people should not be here.
Or the solution is to figure out a way to enforce civility. Works on other sites which are heavily moderated. Those site have lively and meaningful and deep discussion. But without the name calling and defamation. Seems like the kitchen can indeed be climate controlled.
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