Aiming Systems - The End Justifies the Means
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Nothing beats "constructive hard work at the table." That's one thing we can certainly agree on.
Joey, based on the tone and content of your recent posts, I don't think any further replies would be helpful, so I will stop.
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Dave
I would too. Seems like a reasonable question about a technique that so many like but so few understand.
pj
chgo
Really?
The "complicated" stuff is what you play around with during practice. It's no different than learning a shot or position play you're experiencing trouble with or working on a hitch in your PSR. Once it's a "live fire" situation we all go on autopilot.
All of us think about all that technical stuff on the practice table (or we should be) -- whether it's working on a new dance step to get into shooting position or trying to learn the physics so we can deploy the manifestation of different scientific principles to our advantage.
Once again, not that I would expect everyone to understand that.
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How about every shot that requires english?
While the academics sweat squirt, fhe, bhe, and whatever other conscious adjustments including different bridge placements/pivot points, etc, some players automate by flipping their wrist.
Some have found that to be more effective than the standard techniques.
I reject the notion great players develop these moves as bad habits. They develop techniques like this because what they read in books didn't work well enough for them.
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Look out! I tried to show this in a different thread and was tarred and feathered. Even though I got the info from top players and a US Open champ.
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Mike
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If one could read a book & learn how to throw a Major League curve ball, the Major League teams would not be paying those type of pitchers the money that they are paying them.
The ball is the same for everyone & the basic physics is the same for everyone but...that's about where it ends. One guy does something a little bit different & his curve is better. Same thing for hitting.
It is the individual ideosyncrasies that sperate the cream from the book readers.
No offense 'book readers'. It's just the way it is.
I'm not a Major Leaguer either.
RJ
If one could read a book & learn how to throw a Major League curve ball, the Major League teams would not be paying those type of pitchers the money that they are paying them.
The ball is the same for everyone & the basic physics is the same for everyone but...that's about where it ends. One guy does something a little bit different & his curve is better. Same thing for hitting.
It is the individual ideosyncrasies that sperate the cream from the book readers.
No offense 'book readers'. It's just the way it is.
I'm not a Major Leaguer either.
RJ
Three things,
The CB is not spinning at time of contact.
The CB is on a table not the point of a finger.
The follow through doesn't not matter as stated by qualified instructors.
Can you prove the time difference in contact or is it just your opinion?
There is a thread that has some test shots that could be used.
So does "deploy the manifestation of different scientific principles to your our advantage" really help your dancing?
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There is not a single person on this forum that would take the position that reading a book on pool theory will make you shoot like Allison Fisher... but you seem to be saying that, if you want to shoot like Allison Fisher, you better not read any books!
Of course it would.
Major league pitchers have been intensively coached from their high school days to the present in standard techniques, including the aerodynamics ("physics") of thrown balls. They wouldn't be making the money they make without that education.
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I certainly agree that the type of twisting you describe could be used to shift the direction in which the shaft is pointing and, therefore, have a definite effect on the shot -- a way of applying spin, for example.
But hasn't CJ essentially told us that he and others can, in fact, rotate a cue on its long axis as it strikes the CB, without changing the direction the stick is pointing, and, by so doing, create or accentuate spin?
So I ask -- is that actually possible? Would the rotation of a cue stick around its center axis as it strikes dead straight through the center of a CB create enough friction to impart side spin to the CB (clockwise rotation for right spin, counter-clockwise rotation for left spin)?
Thanks I missed that you had posted the one with Bob Jewett. That's the one I was looking for.
Multiply the size of 1/4 of the circumference of a 1/2" tip (the arc that would contact the CB during a wrist twist) times the amount of manual rotation that can occur during 1/1000th of a second of tip/ball contact.
How much sideways force do you think that can transmit to the CB?
Please. You can produce more sidespin telekinetically.
pj <- there I go obsessing over reality again
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But I keep failing at telekinesis and need another way.
PJ,
I've coached two(2) pitchers at the middle school level that were drafted by the majors . One made it to the show & the other played in the minors. I guarantee you neither one of them knows anything about the aerodynamics of their curve ball. Simple as that explanation is, they don't know it, but they can throw it and they could throw it before they got to college or high school. They were throwing it when they were 10 years old.
One might tell us that he really pushes his fingers through the threads on the ball just right of center. Is a pitching coach going say, 'well no, your fingers are not actually going through, what is actually happening is...
Do that & his curve ball could be gone forever.
What ever his perception is that gets him to throw it, that's what it is, reality or not.
The physics is there & it is undeniable. But so is his perception & it is real too.
Just 'food' for thought.
RJ
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